mendedbowl Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) oops i posted late. thanks for the info art and bobby. Edited February 24, 2011 by mendedbowl Quote
Members 556guy Posted February 24, 2011 Members Report Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) A variation of this was used by the 3rd Infantry Division up until WWII when they switched to the diagonal blue and white stripes. The 3rd ID's badge had the "legs" facing in the opposite direction. Also used by a number of American Indian tribes as a good luck symbol. Edited February 24, 2011 by 556guy Quote
Members Spinner Posted February 24, 2011 Members Report Posted February 24, 2011 It showed Canada when i looked at it to. Yea $22.00 to Canada is a rip off. I've sent lots of things to Canada that weighted a pound or more it was generally around $10.00. But ripping people off on shipping seems to be the big thing now. I've seen things that weight a pound or less and they want $8 and $9.00 to send them priority mail when they can be sent for less than $5.00. That's like the gas tank I was looking at Sunday...$150 for the tank, $85 for shipping. I just laughed it off since I had just bought one two days before that was the same size and came from farther away for $35. The old rule stands true...the $35 was private party, the $85 one was from a bike dealership. Quote Chris Three Mutts Customs Leather - http://www.threemuttscustoms.com
Members Spinner Posted February 24, 2011 Members Report Posted February 24, 2011 You're right dirtclod, it is a good luck symbol. It was used a lot on cowboy gear, saddles, chaps, spur straps, etc. It was also used in the patterns found in Navajo rugs. I have an old Porter catalog (pre-WWII) that is decorated with the "whirling log" symbol. It is very "cowboy" and is highly prized by cowboy memorabillia collectors. I hope that someday our society will make an effort to embrace the symbol for what it originally represented rather than as a symbol of hate. Probably won't happen in my lifetime, though...... Bobby Good info Bobby, thanks for that. Unfortunately for the symbol, most folks my age or younger would never know about the 'true' meaning unless it came up in conversation like this. I plan to share the message. Quote Chris Three Mutts Customs Leather - http://www.threemuttscustoms.com
Members skipj Posted February 24, 2011 Members Report Posted February 24, 2011 There is quite a lengthy history of the symbol in Wikipedia at: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Swastika SkipJ Quote
Moderator bruce johnson Posted February 25, 2011 Moderator Report Posted February 25, 2011 It showed Canada when i looked at it to. Yea $22.00 to Canada is a rip off. I've sent lots of things to Canada that weighted a pound or more it was generally around $10.00. But ripping people off on shipping seems to be the big thing now. I've seen things that weight a pound or less and they want $8 and $9.00 to send them priority mail when they can be sent for less than $5.00. This is on Ebay and that is the difference. Ebay puts the burden on the seller of proof of shipping, insurance, and proof of delivery. International packages are not tracked in either envelopes or small flat rate boxes. You have to put it in your own packaging, do the proofs, and insurance or stick a single leather stamp in a medium flat rate box. That gets up to $20 pretty quick. I found this out with some sales to Canada. The mediums I sent first were all tracked. When I sent a couple small flat rate boxes, the tracking ended at my local sorting center. Here is the text of a response to an inquiry I sent to Customer Service - Right off the bat, Bruce, the package you are submitting is either a Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelope or a Small Flat Rate box. Any customs forms that start with the letter "L" are not trackable. The "L" means that it is considered a LETTER POST item. Unfortunately, the Universal Postal Unions of the World, voted NOT to track letter post mail. Believe me, the USPS would love to be able to track everything for you....so bottom line - I have no information on this package, nor can I submit an inquiry. No one tracks Letter Post. In the future if you need tracking, either send it in your OWN packaging and pay Priority by weight, or upgrade to Express Mail International. You will receive tracking then. I apologize for the inconvenience. Quote Bruce Johnson Malachi 4:2 "the windshield's bigger than the mirror, somewhere west of Laramie" - Dave Stamey Vintage Refurbished And Selected New Leather Tools For Sale - www.brucejohnsonleather.com
dirtclod Posted February 25, 2011 Report Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) This is on Ebay and that is the difference. Ebay puts the burden on the seller of proof of shipping, insurance, and proof of delivery. International packages are not tracked in either envelopes or small flat rate boxes. You have to put it in your own packaging, do the proofs, and insurance or stick a single leather stamp in a medium flat rate box. That gets up to $20 pretty quick. I found this out with some sales to Canada. The mediums I sent first were all tracked. When I sent a couple small flat rate boxes, the tracking ended at my local sorting center. Here is the text of a response to an inquiry I sent to Customer Service - Right off the bat, Bruce, the package you are submitting is either a Priority Mail International Flat Rate Envelope or a Small Flat Rate box. Any customs forms that start with the letter "L" are not trackable. The "L" means that it is considered a LETTER POST item. Unfortunately, the Universal Postal Unions of the World, voted NOT to track letter post mail. Believe me, the USPS would love to be able to track everything for you....so bottom line - I have no information on this package, nor can I submit an inquiry. No one tracks Letter Post. In the future if you need tracking, either send it in your OWN packaging and pay Priority by weight, or upgrade to Express Mail International. You will receive tracking then. I apologize for the inconvenience. I haven't sold anything on ebay in a couple of years at least. But i have sent things to Canada, UK, Denmark, New Zeland and other places in Europe for generally around $10.00 in my box first class. I give them the choice of first class, priority mail or express mail. If they choose to go with no insurance i tell them up front that it's their baby if something happens to it. In the last 10 years i had one lady in the UK say she didn't her package it was sent first class. Now wheither she did or didn't i don't know. That is one out of around 50 to 75 packages. Edited February 25, 2011 by dirtclod Quote I'm old enough to know that i don't know everything.
Members HorseGirl98 Posted February 25, 2011 Members Report Posted February 25, 2011 Thanks for sharing this, and everyone sharing what is truly means. I'm 17 - I interpreted it to be, well make a guess. Good info to know! Quote
Members BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted February 25, 2011 Members Report Posted February 25, 2011 A BSA summer camp that I taught handicrafts at one time had one of those, but didn't use it. The next year I had some extra stamps that I was going to trade for ii, but someone broke into the lodge, and stole the stamping tools. That was the only one that I had ever seen until now. I figured that it was pre WWII due to the design. Swastikas are very old symbols, and have been use by many cultures. I would have no problem using that stamp today, and use it to educate people about its historical usage. Quote You laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.
Members OutBackP Posted February 25, 2011 Members Report Posted February 25, 2011 A BSA summer camp that I taught handicrafts at one time had one of those, but didn't use it. The next year I had some extra stamps that I was going to trade for ii, but someone broke into the lodge, and stole the stamping tools. That was the only one that I had ever seen until now. I figured that it was pre WWII due to the design. Swastikas are very old symbols, and have been use by many cultures. I would have no problem using that stamp today, and use it to educate people about its historical usage. Maybe it's time to bring the symbol back to it's true meaning and not a sign of hate. I'd happily use the symbol and if anyone complains explain to them that the Nazi regime stole the symbol and it is time to give it back to cultures who have used it long before Hitler. Quote
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