Huh?! What Exactly Do These Numbers Mean?

[BDAZ]

I received this pack of needles with my new Cow Boy 3200. The machine is excellent and after a 15 minute setup I was kicking butt and taking names.

BUT I am confused about the numbers on the needles. I has asked for needls for both 207 and 138 threads ordered. Toledo lists the 160 needles as being suitable for both, but many other charts recommend 180 or higher for 207.

I noticed today, Tandy sells only "roundpoint needles" I had thought they were designed for fabrics and leather needles had cutting points.

Thanks!

Bob

Edited January 25, 2014 by BDAZ

[Randy Cornelius]

I think a #23 chisle point needle, (thats what you want for sewing leather) is the smallest they make for that machine. That is what I use for 138 and 207 thread. I use a #25 for 346.

[BDAZ]

Thanks Randy! Any idea what all the other numbers and CANU means?

Cya!

Bob

[TXAG]

Thanks Randy! Any idea what all the other numbers and CANU means?

There is a search box at the top right corner of the page that generally works great for answering common

questions like this...and even uncommon ones...

http://leatherworker...showtopic=40102

Edited January 25, 2014 by TXAG

[BDAZ]

With all due respect TXAG, I did use the search box extensivly researching needs and sizes but did not search on CANU.

Thanks

Bob

[TXAG]

Well. Now you know how to search better, huh?

[Jimbob]

Go onto the Schmetz webpage, they have a huge amount of info on their/any needles !!

Any possible question you have can be aswered there !!

I use Schmetz needles only on my two ADLER machines and love them...not cheap but best by far !!

There is also on THETHREADEXCHANGE webside a nice chart for what needle fits what thread size.....usually 207 and 138 takes same size needle for "normal" material" the number 160 or 2oo is the metric messurement, the number #20 or #22 is Singer code I think....needles for sewing machines are very differently coded and some of them have crazy number codes for different makers and machines....stick with blade like points if you use vegtan leather, if you do fabric or mesh products use round point needles, blade or spear like points come in different configurations to make different sewing patterns....\\ the Schmetz website shows all this in real time pictures !!

Hope this helps, always check/feel your needle point for burrs....change needles often and if needed buff them to be reused....

have fun and sew the heck out of your new machine!!!

Aloha

[BDAZ]

Thanks for the info Jim Bob. Used to hang my hat in Star City off 221and played in Floyd.

A River's Dirty!

Bob

[Wizcrafts]

I use #23 needles for both #138/138 and #207/138. But, I move up to a #24 needle for 207/207.

The Schmetz and GB S type needles are a special (inline oval) shape that causes the thread to lie low in the top layer in a straight line. You feel it with your finger, but the ends sit down in the hole edges. Diamond and triangle point needles cause the thread to lie fully on top, with a long appearance for the same stitch length setting as S types.

Usually, type 794 needles are leather points and usually, type 7x3 are the same dimension in standard sharp round points. I use the round point needles to sew webbing and denim. Leather points rip the fibers of those materials, where rounds penetrate without damaging the filaments. This is especially important when sewing heavy webbing tow straps.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Wizcrafts