Singer Model 96-10 Vs. Model 31-15

[Mike516]

I bought a Singer 96-10 some time ago with intentions to do some sewing. I actually also have a 95-10, but I think the 96 is a little better. Probably half a dozen of one, etc.

But I digress. So I saw a 31-15 online for sale and out of curiosity I emailed the guy to see what he's asking for it. He's asking $100, which sounds ok. I told him I'd think about it and get back to him.

Now he's trying to tell me he's been doing this a long time (I'm guessing working on sewing machines, not sewing leather) and it has an industrial heavy duty motor and I should bring over anything I want and see how good it'll sew it. My understanding is "industrial" just means it's a commercial machine.

So, what do you all think, should I pick up the 31-15 or stick with what I have and learn on them? Is this guy on the level or blowing smoke?

[Wizcrafts]

I have had a 96k40, which is about the same machine as the 96-10. I do have a 31-15. I would say they are equal in characteristics and capabilities. That means either can sew with #69 bonded thread, using a #18 needle, into about 3/16 inch of material, or slightly more. Feed is bottom only and not much good for vinyl and leather, unless you convert into a roller foot machine.

[Mike516]

I'm looking to make leather dog collars, probably 7/8 oz leather with a pig lining.

So what would you say is a good beginner machine? I see a lot of old Singers out by me, what should I be looking for?

Keep in mind I'm not a very accomplished sewer. I'd like to get my feet wet before I look to buy a walking foot or anything super expensive.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Mike516

[Wizcrafts]

You should look for a walking foot machine, with triple feed, and thread handling capacity of at least #138 bonded thread (double what the two machines you asked about can handle). The machine I refer to is used by upholstery shops, not tailors.

[Mike516]

Ok thanks Wizcrafts.

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

Singer 31-15 can do some heavy work, if you change feed, plate, needle, heavier than the 95/96 class. Singer 31-15 is an oscillating hook, better for heavy work than the rotating hook of a 95/96.

Again, Wiz is correct, unless you are on a real shoestring budget, or are looking to grow into something, a walking foot is better suited for what you are doing.

[Mike516]

Sounds reasonable. I really don't want to have to change a bunch of stuff. I think I'll start with what I have and save for a walking foot machine if that part of my hobby turns out to be something I want to pursue. Thanks for the advice.

[PastorBob]

I know this is an old post, but ran across a 96-10 that has a roller foot installed.  examples of the stitching look nice.  They are asking $565 for it and includes table.  Not sure what they are worth.  I would normally be stitching two 5-6 oz. pieces together.  I am currently saving for a machine now, but can't afford a $2k machine at this time.  Would it be better to wait until I can afford a walking foot machine?  Thanks for your help!

[CowboyBob]

That a bit on the high side for a 96,if you wait I'm sure you could find a Singer 111w with walking feet for the same price.

[Wizcrafts]

33 minutes ago, PastorBob said:

I know this is an old post, but ran across a 96-10 that has a roller foot installed.  examples of the stitching look nice.  They are asking $565 for it and includes table.  Not sure what they are worth.  I would normally be stitching two 5-6 oz. pieces together.  I am currently saving for a machine now, but can't afford a $2k machine at this time.  Would it be better to wait until I can afford a walking foot machine?  Thanks for your help!

My first industrial sewing machine was a Singer 96k40. It is a tailoring machine. I equipped it with a 1 inch roller foot which helped feed leather. But, it kept breaking needles when I tried sewing a leather vest  with fringe on the back. Other times, it shredded the top thread. The pressure spring wasn't strong enough to hold down 10 ounces of heavy garment leather. I then bought an old Singer walking foot machine from yesteryear and it did the job. It had a spring loaded presser foot and an oscillating hook. I don't recall the model as it was decades ago.

[PastorBob]

On 6/15/2021 at 10:56 AM, CowboyBob said:

That a bit on the high side for a 96,if you wait I'm sure you could find a Singer 111w with walking feet for the same price.

 

On 6/15/2021 at 11:16 AM, Wizcrafts said:

My first industrial sewing machine was a Singer 96k40. It is a tailoring machine. I equipped it with a 1 inch roller foot which helped feed leather. But, it kept breaking needles when I tried sewing a leather vest  with fringe on the back. Other times, it shredded the top thread. The pressure spring wasn't strong enough to hold down 10 ounces of heavy garment leather. I then bought an old Singer walking foot machine from yesteryear and it did the job. It had a spring loaded presser foot and an oscillating hook. I don't recall the model as it was decades ago.

Thanks for your input, guys.  I agree.  I think I will wait.  I am eyeing a Cobra (leaning toward a model 26) from Springfield Leather.  If I run across a good used one, that would do the trick too.