Members catskin Posted November 27, 2014 Members Report Posted November 27, 2014 Actually the needles are not the same length the genuine singer patcher needles are longer from the hole to the end (point )then are the 135 needles. I have both. Either needle will work in a patcher but the patcher needle will not always work where a 135 is needed. I know this because the patcher needle will not work in my singer 78-3 only a 135 will. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted November 27, 2014 Members Report Posted November 27, 2014 29x3 (332) and 135x17 (DPx17) have exactly the same length when you are considering Schmetz needles. Both are 38.9mm from top of shank to top of needle eye. 135x17 (DPx17): http://de.strima.com/135x17-ses-65-schmetz-sewing-machine-nadel-g02-1box-100-nadeln/item/682987/ 29x3 (332): http://de.strima.com/332-%28r%29-160-schmetz-sewing-machine-nadel-g02-1box-100-nadeln/item/682784/ Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
alexitbe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Thank you everyone for your help, but it seems as thought it was invane. I knew I hade to buy a shuttle hook, however, I didn't look under the machine.... Its a bit of a disaster, as there is nothing there. It looks like I have to buy a whole shuttle drive mechanism.... I am not sure if I could machine any of the missing parts, because the drawings have no mechanism... hmmmm.... I am at a loss what to do.... The arm to the shuttle...empty Can see the end of the shuttle drive lever here (I think) Edited November 27, 2014 by alexitbe Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted November 27, 2014 Moderator Report Posted November 27, 2014 All of the missing parts are available as aftermarket items. They may or may not fit without modifications. If you can locate old used, but not abused parts they may fit better and work with less binding. I tell you this from personal experience. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Constabulary Posted November 27, 2014 Members Report Posted November 27, 2014 Honestly - I think this will cost more that the machine will be worth after restoration. It would probably be cheaper to buy another (complete) one for parts. I once bought a 29K71 (one of the last models Singer made) and I had to invest about 150€ or more - I think you will end up with 250€ or more if the parts are available at all. But I would understand if you take the challenge as I also like to restore "old cast iron" but keep in mind that it could become an expensive project. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
alexitbe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Posted November 27, 2014 Yes, I think you are right, but waiting for old parts may take a long time and I had rather hoped to be ready for Christmas. Its seems that I was unfortunate to buy a k33 as it has smaller/different parts to the std k30. In partitulcar things like rack and gears. I cannot make these... I have the opportunity on a 29k51. However, that is very expensive. What is quite irritating is that I am told that the guy didn't now why it didn't work. However, it is quite clear that the rack conection rod had only recently been removed. The grease looked fresh... I guess that there is nothing that can be done quickly. I think there are modern 29k's being built today. Would it be worth buying the parts from these Chinese copies? How about Adler 30-1k parts? There are lots of Adlers here in Germany... Alex Quote
alexitbe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Posted November 27, 2014 Honestly - I think this will cost more that the machine will be worth after restoration. It would probably be cheaper to buy another (complete) one for parts. I once bought a 29K71 (one of the last models Singer made) and I had to invest about 150€ or more - I think you will end up with 250€ or more if the parts are available at all. You are correct. There is a supposedly fully working 29k51 near here... How are these for parts and replacements? What was the most popular 29k. It would make most sense to buy a complete one fo these. I can make a few things for the machine that I have. However, I do not know any of the correct measurements of the bits or indeed how they are fully assembled.. I have learnt an important lesson... "Buyer Beware" and "go fully informed". Cheers Alex Quote
alexitbe Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Posted November 27, 2014 On second thoughts, this is a hobby to stop me from sitting infront of the TV and wasting my time... I do not need to produce anything quickly or cheaply. So I will give hand- stictching a go... I believe we have a group for that? A hole punch, a needl and some thread...What could be simpler? However, I will be back with a fixed machine or a different one in the not too distant future... Thank you all very kindly for giving your knowledge so freely. ALex Quote
Members catskin Posted November 28, 2014 Members Report Posted November 28, 2014 Const. I am talking about GENUINE SINGER brand needles NOT schmetz or anything else. They ARE longer then a 135 from eye to point just measure them you will see. Quote
Members Constabulary Posted November 28, 2014 Members Report Posted November 28, 2014 Buying old patchers is often enough a gamble as some of the were made in the early 1900 already (Singer + Adler). So you can probably imagine that some will be quite worn. Better test the machines when you are going to buy one (especially from a private seller) and when they produce short stitches like 3.5mm or even 3mm when adjusted to the longest stitch length then they are badly worn and I would not buy them. New or like new patchers should make 5mm stitches (5 stitches per Inch). An acceptable / good score are 4.5mm - 4mm but if they are below 4mm I would not buy them. But it of course depends on what you want to do with them if you can deal with short stitches - okay - but keep in mind these are worn and parts are not cheap! I think Adler parts are even more expensive if available at all. The only web source for Adler 30 parts in Germany is WDN in Hamburg but check out the prices and I think you are done: http://www.wdn.de/artsearchresult.php?ARTIKELZAHL=30&KATEGORIE=6140 Singer 29K70, 29k71, 29K73 are the models you can get parts for w/o problem and the prices are quite cheap compared with Adler parts. These models are later models and therefore most of the times the machines are a bit more expensive. I have been looking for a patcher for a looong time. For me it was clear that I want a short arm model and parts should be available (in case of restoration) w/o making dozens of phone calls. So I came to the point that a Singer 29K71 would be the one! After a lot of research and hanging out on Ebay and other advertisings I found one on Ebay. The guy was 20km (or so) away from me so I visited him and bought it directly. The patcher was in considerably bad shape but it was a model form the 1960´s and I already knew where I can find the parts (College Sewing). It was a gamble but for just 40€ it was worth the risk. This is the result: http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=56079&hl=29k71 Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
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