Members BDAZ Posted December 5, 2014 Members Report Posted December 5, 2014 Ha! Cause John Bianchi is so short on ego. If you want to be a renowned holster maker put your mark on it. If you're okay just making a few bucks an toiling away in the shadows leave it off. Neither you nor Mr. Coho are John Bianchi. I get paid handsomely for the work I do whether my mark is on my products or not. If you are, in fact, "toiling away" without sufficient compensation and you think that part of that insufficient compensation is having your makers stamp on the back of a holster, then suit yourself. By all means ask the customer why or even charge a bit more to "delete" the stamp but don't confuse commerce with ego, unless this is just a hobby business, then business decisions and customer satisfaction are incidental to basking in the limelight! Cya! Bob. Quote
Members Kustom Posted December 5, 2014 Members Report Posted December 5, 2014 Don't confuse making a few bucks today with building a brand. Think of it this way. Selling your items without your mark is like working for a salary. Selling your work with your mark is like working for a salary plus stock options. Have enough ego to believe in yourself. If you don't believe in yourself, no one else will. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted December 5, 2014 Contributing Member Report Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Don't confuse ego with customer service. .... Who cares...the customer is paying your price and it doesn't cost extra to leave the stamp off. Get over it. Cya! Bob There ya go. I don't even HAVE a "maker mark". Leave that to smaller men But, I think I "believe in myself". In fact, someone wants to re-sell my work, makes no difference to me. When the customer wants another one, let's see them duplicate it. Having a "brand" is for marketing people... not necessarily leather people. Lemme see.. some "brands" that made REAL money... Pet rocks Chia Pets Spongebob Enough, or we need more? Seriously, I've seen people (not just a few) who couldn't tool a piece of leather if you had a gun to their head. They can't (or won't - who knows) paint to save their life. But they have a 'maker mark" and a facebook page to tell you all about how talented they are.... long as they're telling the story it prolly works out fine. Edited December 5, 2014 by JLSleather Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members BDAZ Posted December 5, 2014 Members Report Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) JSL, this thread is about making products for sale. The fact that Coho is getting repeat orders means he's making the right products at the right price. It doesn't mean squat if he can or can't tool. Nor does it mean squat whether you do or do not have a makers mark. You are imply your work is so good that you don't need one. That's wonderful;l but beyond the scope of this discussion. We are discussing makers marks and their use in marketing ones products. Since that's beyond you and you are so far above those of us who need and use makers marks, I don't see why you even bothered to comment on this thread since your comments are essentially irrelevant. Best get back to your swivel knife... Cya! Bob Edited December 5, 2014 by BDAZ Quote
Members Kustom Posted December 5, 2014 Members Report Posted December 5, 2014 Bob, Is white label production part of your business model? JSL, this thread is about making products for sale. The fact that Coho is getting repeat orders means he's making the right products at the right price. It doesn't mean squat if he can or can't tool. Nor does it mean squat whether you do or do not have a makers mark. You are imply your work is so good that you don't need one. That's wonderful;l but beyond the scope of this discussion. We are discussing makers marks and their use in marketing ones products. Since that's beyond you and you are so far above those of us who need and use makers marks, I don't see why you even bothered to comment on this thread since your comments are essentially irrelevant. Best get back to your swivel knife... Cya! Bob Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted December 5, 2014 Contributing Member Report Posted December 5, 2014 Hmmm.. that was unnecessarily rude. What, my turn? Alrightey, then... I find it strange that someone with a symbol and an avatar from a movie worries about someone else copying / using their work. Nobody else sees irony? It is to me ridiculous that the only thing "kustom" about someone's work is the "maker" stamp (and otherwise about like many others). Each his own, I suppose. And perhaps I didn't phrase my post for others (I like to read my own posts, it's true). In case you missed it, I was AGREEING with you, that it's up to him if he puts a mark on there or not. In fact, now that we're peeing all over the posts, a guy could do that too -- go on pee on the leather before shipping it.. no difference to me, since I'm not the customer. But, though the path to it is wide, your conclusion is correct. I should get back to leather work. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members BDAZ Posted December 5, 2014 Members Report Posted December 5, 2014 Is white label production part of your business model? By white label if you mean unbranded..no, if you mean private label, yes. I do make products with other logos on them designed and manufactured for a particular company. I do put my mark on the back with my web site URL so if there is a problem, the end user can contact me for a fix. Again, I don't sell to the end user. My commercial work is all my own design, and are practical items including various instrument cases and straps. I also do custom work which I tool and enjoy much more than the production work.and charge a lot more for OR give away as gifts. The commercial work pays the bills and dovetails well with my other business activities. JSL, sorry if I came off rude.. Not sure what movie avatar you are referring to but I don't think Coho is necessarily claiming to make custom designs. The issue is whether the customer has the right to demand a brand free item. I too have to get back to the sewing machine... Cya! Bob Cya! Bob Quote
Members Jwalker Posted December 6, 2014 Members Report Posted December 6, 2014 i make it...i mark it...no exceptions Quote
Members camano ridge Posted December 6, 2014 Members Report Posted December 6, 2014 Alright childeren go to your rooms and behave yourselves before a modeator closes this thread. The OP asked for individual opinions on his situation only not for us to brow beat each other. Quote https://www.facebook.com/CamanoRidgeCustomLeather?fref=ts
Members WyomingSlick Posted December 6, 2014 Members Report Posted December 6, 2014 Alright childeren go to your rooms and behave yourselves before a modeator closes this thread. The OP asked for individual opinions on his situation only not for us to brow beat each other. That is a bit condescending on your part to admonish these adults for simply being like the average human; that is - people who are not experts in diplomacy, and so, always conveying their viewpoints with perfect tact, and politeness. I, for one, am still looking to know why the customer did not want the maker's mark on the holsters ? ? ? And the only way to know that is ask the question of the customer. Heck, who knows! You might learn something new, and gain an appreciation of how other people view matters. Furthermore, with such discussion, you have a chance to explain why you want to have, or require, your maker's mark on items that you make. As a consumer, I don't mind that the buttons on my pants says "Wranglers" or "Carhart", or that it says "Nocona" on the inside of my boots. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't wear pants that have a 6 inch name patch on the front, which would be the equivalent of some of the products I've seen on this forum! I do wear caps that have a large name patch on them that advertise some outfit or another, but, the price was right - FREE ! LOL ! How about this? "Holster for Sale $75 with small maker stamp on backside, $85 with no makers stamp, $60 with prominent maker stamp on front" Quote (John 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (KJV) And the truth is that religion is nothing more than the lame attempt by largely ignorant people to bring sense and order to a world that was beyond their comprehension. Once you see religion for the delusional and superstitious artifact it is............... you will be free !
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