alexitbe Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 Does anyone know anything about this patcher? I have just found one in working order, very cheap and wondere'd why the "D"? I am in Germany (Deutschland), if that is relevent. Here's a picture... Quote
Members cdthayer Posted December 16, 2014 Members Report Posted December 16, 2014 I believe that the “D” (and the Singer Badge) indicates that the machine was made in the Singer factory in Wittenberge, Prussia.CD in Oklahoma Quote "I sew, I sew, so it's off to work I go....." My sewing machines:Adler 205-370 (Hand Crank), Adler 205-64 (Hand Crank), Consew 226 (Clutch/Speed Reducer), Singer 111G156 (Hand Crank or Clutch), Singer 111W153 (Clutch), Singer 20U33 (Clutch), Singer 78-3 Needlefeed (Treadle), Singer 20U (Treadle), Singer 29K70 (x2) (Both Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 96-40 w/Darning Foot (Treadle), Singer 31-15 w/Roller Foot (Treadle), Singer 31-15 (Hand Crank), Singer 16-41 (Treadle), Singer 66-1 (Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 201K4 (Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 216G Zigzag (Treadle/Hand Crank), Singer 319W (Treadle)
Members Constabulary Posted December 16, 2014 Members Report Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Its actually a pre 1945 made in Germany Singer 29. It already has a removable gear box and a helical spring in the head instead of the large blade spring at the back of the arm. It has the larger bobbin as well. Singer produced sewing machines in Wittenberge / Prussia until the Russians disassembled the Singler plant and took it to Russia as war reparation. Singer again started producing sewing machines in West Germany / Karlsruhe in the 1950´s but then the Prefix was G = Germany because the K (Karlsruhe) was in use for the Kilbowie (Scottland) plant already. Seems to be in a nice condition - check how long the stitches are when adjusted to 5 SPI. How much is it? Better choice than your former 29K! Edited December 16, 2014 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
alexitbe Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 Thanks Guys, Its a hundred Euro. ..I am not sure whether to go for it yet. Thankfully its close buy, unlike the last one. Cheers Alex Quote
Members shoepatcher Posted December 16, 2014 Members Report Posted December 16, 2014 That is the first Singer shoepatcher I have seen with the "D" in the model number and that is almost 40 years working on shoepatchers. I assume the D indicated Deutschland. To my knowledge, the Singer shoepatcher was only made in Elizabethport, NJ; Kilbowie, Scotland; and Japan. Obviously, that is no true. See if you can get more pics of it. If I were you, I would buy for $ 100 Euros if for nothing more, it is rare. I would think all the 29K60 parts should be the same. Any books available with it. glenn Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted December 16, 2014 Moderator Report Posted December 16, 2014 It looks a lot like my 29k172, except mine is blue and made in Japan. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
alexitbe Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 Thanks for the replies... I don't know if there are any books with it, but if so it will be in Old Deutsche and the new one is hard enough. I am not really interested in buying it just, because it is rare. It is more important that it works and it works reasonably well. I do not understand the comment about checking the stitch length at 5 spi. Surely it will be 1/5" ? Or am I missing something? Also, I am not sure that there will be a stitch length controller with 5 SPI on it, so how will I know? May I ask about the 29k172? What are the important or standout features? Is it a development of the 29k60? I will go and see it. Apart from trying to sew a piece of leather with it, is there anything else I should check? Thanks Alex Quote
Members Constabulary Posted December 17, 2014 Members Report Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Alex, well, the old patchers are often worn because there are a lot of mechanical parts rubbing against each other in the head and therefore it is possible that the stitch length is no longer 5 per inch. So when you adjust it to 5 SPI and you measure the stitches and is below 6 spi (approx. 4mm) you can be sure it is quite worn. But if you can deal with that and 4mm stitches are okay for you - why not. But due to its optical condition I think it is a good one and stitches are fine but I´d check it anyway. The stitch length is indicated here: Put some cardboard under the feet make 10 stitches (w/o thread) and measure how many stitches you have per inch. Everything above 6 spi / 4mm is a good score. 100€ is a bargain for this machine! Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted December 17, 2014 Moderator Report Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) May I ask about the 29k172? What are the important or standout features? Is it a development of the 29k60? Thanks Alex The 29k172 is the Last Of The Mohicans in the Singer patcher line. It has a removable gear box, long arm and large bobbin. The long rack inside the arm is adjustable via an eccentric inside the lower part of the body. It is used to set the timing of the hook. The take-up lever has a threaded barrel inside the trapeze on top. That adjuster affects the minimum lifting height of the take-up lever. I find this useful for getting the best stitch in thick or thin leather, or leather that has been held together with double sided tape. Thin leather without tape doesn't need much help from the adjuster. The adjuster has numbers starting at 0, representing how high the lever is forced to raise on the up stroke. Thicker or sticky leather or vinyl definitely benefits from turning it between #2 to #3.This causes more thread to be presented for the next stitch. It seems to help preserve the loop that might otherwise dissolve too soon. This adjuster on an Adler 30 is labeled Dick and Dorf (thick and thin), I think. Edited December 17, 2014 by Wizcrafts Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members shoepatcher Posted December 17, 2014 Members Report Posted December 17, 2014 Alexitbe, Are you able to get any more pics of the machine? glenn Quote
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