Members TinkerTailor Posted May 12, 2015 Members Report Posted May 12, 2015 Will it also be the best oil if the machine is run too slow on an occasional basis, with less scheduled and thourough lube schedules than you may have? You have said yourself that the factory machines are a different ball of wax when it comes to how close to the duty cycle they are run, perhaps the conditions on the home users machine could benefit from lube with different parameters. And, holy smokes that thing throws thread...... Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Members gottaknow Posted May 12, 2015 Members Report Posted May 12, 2015 Will it also be the best oil if the machine is run too slow on an occasional basis, with less scheduled and thourough lube schedules than you may have? You have said yourself that the factory machines are a different ball of wax when it comes to how close to the duty cycle they are run, perhaps the conditions on the home users machine could benefit from lube with different parameters. And, holy smokes that thing throws thread...... I totally agree that home users could perhaps benefit from different lubes. They could also benefit from actually using the oil that came with their machine more than once every 5 years. I've used TriFlow on home portables that I get conned into fixing. I can tell if the unit has been oiled, if not I figure some TriFlow can keep the machine looser over time, but I can't prove it or discount it because the builders of the machine want you to use oil, so there's no R&D to look at. The best system for slow machines is the wick. The Singer 211 class has a decent wick system. Your wicks provides oil as the machine needs it, fast or slow. The 211's have a decent size oil well on top of the machine. They do have a little ingenious oil booster that uses the laws of cohesion to make the oil head into the wicks. It simply is a weight on a spring that vibrates with the machine. The oil is pulled up into the gap between the weight and a curved plate. The faster you sew, the more the weight moves and the more oil the wicks get. It's also gravity fed, so there's no mechanical pump that can fail. The only thing I have operators do is put a drop of oil in the bobbin basket race 1 or 2 times a day. It simply makes the hooks last longer. The 211 hook shafts do have a screw type pump milled into them. They do pull oil up to the hook, but it never makes it to the bobbin race. Juki is now using a thin grease on their new lockstitch models in some areas. They are claiming there is less oil in the head, so less oil to clean. Time will tell, the jury will be out for a while. I've got 10 new ones in use, so we'll see. Btw, if that chainstitch machine is even a little out of adjustment, you know it right away.... Regards, Eric Quote
Members Hansons Carriage Posted May 31, 2015 Members Report Posted May 31, 2015 I've used it in aircraft for over 30 years. Nothing lubes any better for metal to metal contact in my opinion. They used to do demos with it, using a small electric motor and a torque wrench on the end of a lever across the shaft. They'd try quite a few different lubes, showing how little torque needed to be applied to the torque wrench to slow the motor...the triflow was far superior...even after it was wiped off the mandrel! I agree that it wouldn't be what I'd choose for a splash lube system or anything with seals either, but for basic metal to metal surfaces, it can be sprayed on and wiped off with the lube qualities staying for quite some time! I've never seen it build up appreciably in any of the aircraft I've used it on. John Quote I'm so far behind, I think I'm ahead!
Hockeymender Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 I got some TriFlow a couple weeks back and have found it to be an excellent choice for machines that are manually lubed. Gave the necessary spots a genorous spray and it has seemingly done a great job providing the required protection. That said, keep in mind that my machines are not being run hard all day long. A happy TriFlow user....so far. Quote Regards, Joe Esposito www.hockeymenders.com instragram: @hockeymenders.com
Members Gregg From Keystone Sewing Posted June 1, 2015 Members Report Posted June 1, 2015 We are convinced here that Triflow has magical properties. Quote Industrial sewing and cutting, parts sales and service, family owned since 1977, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA, 215/922.6900 info@keysew.com www.keysew.com
Moderator Art Posted June 1, 2015 Moderator Report Posted June 1, 2015 Dritz stainless oil, when JoAnn's has it on one of those 50% off sales. Mineral oil will work in a pinch, and you can mix a little hydraulic fluid with the mineral oil if you want to be exotic. Dritz or mineral oil because they don't stain the work. For those machines with automatic oilers, manually oil them anyway, they are made to work at high speed and don't pump squat at slow speeds. If there is any adage you should follow, it is to keep your wick wet. Art Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Contributing Member Ferg Posted June 1, 2015 Contributing Member Report Posted June 1, 2015 I know nothing about Tri-Flow. I use a product in my truck and automobiles called "Motor-Kote". It is not an additive. We add two ounces per quart of oil to the engine about every three oil changes. That said: I have a large sliding table saw in our shop. Metal to metal although it has bearings on one side. I sprayed the Motor-Kote on both the bearings and the slide three years ago and haven't lubed it since. It glides as though it isn't even touching anything. Slow movement compared to sewing machine. I have given a spray can of the stuff to friends and family. They have used it on everything from snow blowers to electric car antenna. I know, I'm getting to it..... I used the Motor-Kote on surfaces of a Singer 29k I have, to loosen it up. Have never sprayed the areas again but I do oil it regularly with the white oil. Have not used it on my Consew or Seiko nor the skiving machine. You can allow it to "set" for a few hours, wipe it off to make sure there is no dripping and go about your business of sewing etc. Just my .02 BTW: I would go along with anything Eric says about a sewing machine and their maintenance. ferg Quote
Members TinkerTailor Posted June 1, 2015 Members Report Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) BTW: I would go along with anything Eric says about a sewing machine and their maintenance. ferg I totally agree with this he is an amazing resource and very gracious to share his knowledge, however in these types of threads, playing devils advocate can really lead to interesting discussions. Sometimes i will raise an odd question, solution, or scenario in order to foster discussion, and to perhaps lead to collectively finding better ways of doing things. Experts are to be respected, but not unconditionally and without valid questions. At one time all the experts thought the world was flat......Until someone questioned that. just payin the interest on fergs $.02 Edited June 1, 2015 by TinkerTailor Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Contributing Member Ferg Posted June 1, 2015 Contributing Member Report Posted June 1, 2015 Could that be "Paying it Forward? lol ferg Quote
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