Moderator Johanna Posted July 30, 2015 Moderator Report Posted July 30, 2015 I hid the thread while it was under review. No one "buys" favoritism in the forum, but we also don't let personal issues, or in this case legal ones, take over a conversation and detract from a thread. Carry on, but skip the speculation. The parties involved will work this out in private, not on the forum. I merged both threads for the sake of clarity.Thank you for your understanding. ~J Quote You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus. - Mark Twain
Members JSLeathercraft Posted July 30, 2015 Author Members Report Posted July 30, 2015 Thanks Johanna....for a minute there I thought both threads had been deleted. I've been mostly a lurker for the last 7 years...mainly relying on search for my info. It figures that the one time I post I get into the middle of something. :-) Quote Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence. ~ Robert Frost Juki/Ferdco Pro 2000 ~ Cowboy CB-341 ~ Singer 31-15
Cobra Steve Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 Hello OSW, now that the people have spoken.......it's not your fault. Please call me and I will give you all the info that you need to help you make a decision. Thank you. Quote Thank You Steve Tayrien Leather Machine Co., Inc. 2141 E. Philadelphia St. Unit "U" Ontario, California 91761 1-866-962-9880 http://www.leathermachineco.com cobra@leathermachineco.com
Members gottaknow Posted July 31, 2015 Members Report Posted July 31, 2015 Regardless whether the machine is new or used, the buyer should understand that ALL machines will at some point need to be adjusted, or repaired, have parts changed etc. I have purchased for factory use well over 1,000 machines of all make and class, new and used. My personal expectations are that each and every one of them will have to be worked on at some point. That's what I expect, so when it happens, I don't get upset. People get upset when their expectations are not met. In many cases, they simply expected the machine to be "plug and play". Beware of anyone making a claim that the machine will always work like a charm, they don't. A lot of the time the new owner messes it up themselves. In a factory, I can just walk over, make the adjustment, educate the operator hands on, and be done with it. Not the case for most folks on the forum. In my honest opinion, I'd rather have someone available to talk me through an issue if I knew nothing about machines. At some point, the end user has to assume some responsibility in making sure they're not doing something that causes problems over and over. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I had some time during lunch. Regards, Eric Quote
Members Tejas Posted July 31, 2015 Members Report Posted July 31, 2015 I'd rather have someone available to talk me through an issue .... I'd rather have a really good user and service manuals, and then someone to help talk me through the issue. Quote
Members machinehead Posted July 31, 2015 Members Report Posted July 31, 2015 Regardless whether the machine is new or used, the buyer should understand that ALL machines will at some point need to be adjusted, or repaired, have parts changed etc. I have purchased for factory use well over 1,000 machines of all make and class, new and used. My personal expectations are that each and every one of them will have to be worked on at some point. That's what I expect, so when it happens, I don't get upset. People get upset when their expectations are not met. In many cases, they simply expected the machine to be "plug and play". Beware of anyone making a claim that the machine will always work like a charm, they don't. A lot of the time the new owner messes it up themselves. In a factory, I can just walk over, make the adjustment, educate the operator hands on, and be done with it. Not the case for most folks on the forum. In my honest opinion, I'd rather have someone available to talk me through an issue if I knew nothing about machines. At some point, the end user has to assume some responsibility in making sure they're not doing something that causes problems over and over. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I had some time during lunch. Regards, Eric Words to live by for someone who doesn't know their way around industrial machines. In regard to going with someone available to talk to and close to Indiana, you might give Cowboy Bob at Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines a call to discuss his Cowboy 441 clone. Less shipping means more money to spend on leather, thread, etc. This is in no way a slam against Steve because I would advise someone near California to talk to him. Quote
Moderator Art Posted July 31, 2015 Moderator Report Posted July 31, 2015 If you want a really good user and service manual, you have to go with: Dürkopp Adler Singer Pfaff Juki All the chinese manuals are pretty iffy. Hoffmann Brothers in Illinois took over Ferdco, and is a bit closer than California. All of the above Manufacturers AND the well known Japanese and Chinese machines are in their wheelhouse. And American Machines too, they do Puritan. Art Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members JSLeathercraft Posted July 31, 2015 Author Members Report Posted July 31, 2015 I'm not afraid of a used machine. I've had several already. An Adler flatbed, a Singer flatbed, a Tippmann Boss, an American Straight Needle, and a Sewmo "The Stud" cylinder arm as well as about 15 home type/embroidery machines for regular fabric sewing. I've just never spent enough to get myself the right heavy machine. I tend to think differently than most. I have a hard time buying something new and sterile....I'd prefer to find a great deal on something someone else has loved and then work it over and make it mine. There are those out there who absolutely should buy new and probably couldn't make it without the customer service (my brother in law being one of those....LOL...poor guy) Quote Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence. ~ Robert Frost Juki/Ferdco Pro 2000 ~ Cowboy CB-341 ~ Singer 31-15
Moderator Art Posted July 31, 2015 Moderator Report Posted July 31, 2015 You go girl! If you've had an ASN, well then you'll do more than fine. Art Quote For heaven's sakes pilgrim, make yourself a strop!
Members machinehead Posted July 31, 2015 Members Report Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) I'm not afraid of a used machine. I've had several already. An Adler flatbed, a Singer flatbed, a Tippmann Boss, an American Straight Needle, and a Sewmo "The Stud" cylinder arm as well as about 15 home type/embroidery machines for regular fabric sewing. I've just never spent enough to get myself the right heavy machine. I tend to think differently than most. I have a hard time buying something new and sterile....I'd prefer to find a great deal on something someone else has loved and then work it over and make it mine. There are those out there who absolutely should buy new and probably couldn't make it without the customer service (my brother in law being one of those....LOL...poor guy) Well now. In light of this experience that you have just now told us about and given your opinion of used machines....You have answered the question that you posed in your first post. Go with the Ferdco Pro. Juki is top notch and if you are buying other equipment you might have some bargaining leverage. I would still get a quick tutorial on it though. Edited July 31, 2015 by machinehead Quote
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