looking for 135x16 LR #19,20,21

[JLSleather]

Yep, everywhere any more.  Hermann Oak leather is about $8 / ft from them . and that's the "A" grade.  Go somewhere else, and pay $11 and up for B or even C grade.

I've never had much respect for "retailers".. which is of course another way of saying 'we don't make anything, we just want to get paid for what somebody else makes".

 

Edited June 7, 2016 by JLSleather

[Constabulary]

Check with College Sewing:

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/?s=135x16

Sometimes its worth checking their needle offerers

 

[mikesc]

Eric..for "unbelievable" try these prices..this is the "trade price" I pay ( in France ) for a box of 100 of the same needles..
http://www.mazet-locam.fr/79-aiguilles/81-boite-de-100-aiguilles/259-aiguille-134-lr/fiche-produit-detaillee.html
€28.00 plus 20% VAT..= $39.75 per box of 100 needles

[gottaknow]

16 minutes ago, mikesc said:

Eric..for "unbelievable" try these prices..this is the "trade price" I pay ( in France ) for a box of 100 of the same needles..
http://www.mazet-locam.fr/79-aiguilles/81-boite-de-100-aiguilles/259-aiguille-134-lr/fiche-produit-detaillee.html
€28.00 plus 20% VAT..= $39.75 per box of 100 needles

Yikes! My needle budget would go through the roof with that price!

Regards, Eric

[Techsew Ron]

20 hours ago, tibee said:

Hi,

I have a techsew 2750 and Im looking to get some 135x16 LR to fit it in size #19, 20 , 21 . Does anyone have a source for those.. preferably in North America, Ideally in Toronto.

Thanks!

We have Organ 135x16DIA available in 18, 20, 23, 24. They will fit your Techsew 2750. We're not in Toronto but can ship next day or 2-3 day. Obviously different cost from generic needles but we're happy to offer both options!

Ron

[JLSleather]

Maybe I read that wrong, but I thought he specifically wanted LR -point needles. Yes? No?

 

[tibee]

Hey, Thanks so much for all the input guys... I'm looking for 135x16 LR in small quantities though (10/20 needles).. https://www.college-sewing.co.uk has what I'm looking for and it turns out campbell randall will have some in about 10 days so I might just wait for that depending on shipping price and all that.

While were on the topic, I also recently got a hold of a pfaff 491 and I dont know the needle system it uses. Anyone know? 

Thanks!

[Techsew Ron]

49 minutes ago, tibee said:

While were on the topic, I also recently got a hold of a pfaff 491 and I dont know the needle system it uses. Anyone know? 

Thanks!

The 491 uses system 134-15. you can download a manual here:

http://www.bootmaker.com/Pfaff491.pdf

[Uwe]

Regarding needle pricing from the manufacturer's perspective, I had an interesting exchange with a Groz Beckert representative in Atlanta. I had asked about some rare needle system, and he said something along the lines of "Yep, we're the only manufacturer of that needle system worldwide. But we don't charge more for it or gouge people. (pauses to think for moment)  In fact we haven't raised needle prices in 25 years - we're crazy!"

I guess the manufacturer holds or improves their bottom line by lowering cost of manufacturing, economies of scale, and automation.

What happens to pricing after the product leaves the manufacturer greatly depends on the distribution network and how many layers or relay stations there are. Hypothetical price is irrelevant if there's no product to sell or buy. For example, toilet paper is super cheap in price controlled Venezuela - they just don't have any to actually sell. The store shelves are just empty.

Even in a free market, if there's no money to be made on the distribution end, nobody will bother to distribute the product, which means you can't buy the product.

When I consider how hard it is to actually make a good needle (try making one yourself if you don't believe it's hard to do), I'm thinking $0.30 per needle in small quantities is rather a bargain.

[gottaknow]

26 minutes ago, Uwe said:

Regarding needle pricing from the manufacturer's perspective, I had an interesting exchange with a Groz Beckert representative in Atlanta. I had asked about some rare needle system, and he said something along the lines of "Yep, we're the only manufacturer of that needle system worldwide. But we don't charge more for it or gouge people. (pauses to think for moment)  In fact we haven't raised needle prices in 25 years - we're crazy!"

I guess the manufacturer holds or improves their bottom line by lowering cost of manufacturing, economies of scale, and automation.

What happens to pricing after the product leaves the manufacturer greatly depends on the distribution network and how many layers or relay stations there are. Hypothetical price is irrelevant if there's no product to sell or buy. For example, toilet paper is super cheap in price controlled Venezuela - they just don't have any to actually sell. The store shelves are just empty.

Even in a free market, if there's no money to be made on the distribution end, nobody will bother to distribute the product, which means you can't buy the product.

When I consider how hard it is to actually make a good needle (try making one yourself if you don't believe it's hard to do), I'm thinking $0.30 per needle in small quantities is rather a bargain.

Groz Beckert needle prices change all the time. I think the guy you spoke with wasn't informed very well. My basic overlock needles are UY154's to fit my 40 or so Union Special 39500's. The price per hundred 6 years ago was about $22/100. I bought some last week for $51.90/100. That's a higher increase than many other needle classes, but they all change. I usually purchase needles 1000 at a time to get a better price. We make the operators change needles on our wool twice a day, on the waxed canvas, 3-4 times a day.

Regards, Eric