Cowboy cb341

[TinkerTailor]

14 hours ago, bikermutt07 said:

See, I thought it looked pretty cool. And while I can totally understand the price point of custom work. I wouldn't throw another 400 dollars at a machine that already costs well over 2 grand.

Not that it's not worth it, it is. It just isn't to me.

But I stand behind the statement that it's cool looking.

 

10 hours ago, bikermutt07 said:

They mentioned only having a dozen of them made up and I haven't seen them on anyone else's site. That leads me to believe it was done locally. But, it's only a guess.

Here is my take: If you work in a factory, garage, basement, wigwam or mud hut, you want bang for your buck and chrome don't get you home. Buy beige.

Now if you have a storefront or a hot-rod shop or any other environment where people can watch you work, a decorated machine can actually increase business. A leather shop with a 29k patcher in the window is just cooler than one without. The pedestrians know that it is a leather machine, and it lends authenticity to the business. This will bring in customers so the machine pays for itself, even if it is never used because it is not the right machine for most tasks.

The same goes for putting new machines in a leather shop. Beige machines next to old singers stand out. People expect to see tough old iron machines painted black in leather and shoe shops. By making this machine black and putting on some gold pinstriping it harkens back to the old days. In a retail environment, this paint job could actually make you money over the basic beige. To a business, 400-500 bucks as a one time cost to increase customer traffic and the bottom line a percent or three is well worth it.

My bet is they ordered a few machines in black with an upgraded gold nitrided hook and just pinstriped them on this side of the pacific, much the same way as cobra orders in orange/bronze paint and puts on stickers. Pinstriping is actually pretty fast and does not require the setup of a spray job.

That being said, for the money I have seen much nicer pinstriping, and for 500 bucks, I know a guy I could get to pinstripe MY logo on my machine. Plus if it is a retail establishment, a sign advertising the pinstriping artist helps his/her bottom line and may make the job cheaper. The right hand washes the left.

[brmax]

I remember seeing that black 4500, that was pretty neat!. I can do black but would rather stick with chrome, I mean if I get a choice.

It may be gone as it has been awhile since that the deal was started and may have been as ya said just a small count done up.

Rock on with the pin stripes though.

  anyway

That 341 Cowboy hook looks the same as my Juki1341, if it is? I believe the cap/bobbin case doesn't have a thread slot/path big enough for 207 thread so will have to ask the dealers if any mods need or were made.  I would sure welcome that info, as I guess that hook style has been around awhile, and so a lot of experience there, and I could use a extra cap.

As Wiz mentioned and spot on as usual all the 15 series Juki's I know of will raise to about1/2 with 135-17 but will hit, as the needle bar wants to go down a bit more on a stroke when raised that high. The Juki 1341,  I picked up is the same head as the 15 series really and fits the same bill.

I understand many feelings of the long 190, and struggled with the thought of change and its issues with finding available leather needles when getting along farther that direction.  And so with some other stuff I do and plans for the foam, batting etc. etc.  I have 190 in 3 heads with about a 1/16 maybe a hair more clearance at the needle bar now to the foot when toped out and no issues.  As for now I haven't worried here with changing the 1341 yet?, but I sure don't like hearing any bump, so I don't go there.

I'm not positive but I did think the previous Juki 341 came with another style hook and thought may be an advantage.  I would have to work a bit more to study the archives and figure that conclusion for my final op. I did consider it would be great if it could be the same as a 1508, fwiw.  Anyway that was my thoughts before this purchase option came up and the choice was over.

The particular hooks had me wondering with some other brands other members had interest in and talked about here. A key point I liked no-matter was the topside adjustment knobs on machines in this category.  So as always these machine things keeps me interested in whatever comes out and whatever color they paint them, its a machine and that's cool.

All I know is I cant do without one of these cylinder arms for stuff I do, many flat projects I just get up and go to the cylinder then return. Its fact I just feel this place has been there with all the answers Consistently. Thanks n thumbs up

No doubt they all need reducers and the model ask about is great for the millions of dollars already proven in its designed ability.

Good day

Floyd

[CowboyBob]

13 hours ago, bikermutt07 said:

They mentioned only having a dozen of them made up and I haven't seen them on anyone else's site. That leads me to believe it was done locally. But, it's only a guess.

Yes,they are a special order (someones great idea to be different) BUT the machine didn't impress me to stock any so I passed.We don't get many people that want to pay more for a machine than they have to & we always get calls everyday from people wanting used ones for less $$.

[SolarLeatherMachines]

The custom paint was our idea how to celebrate Cowboy's 15th Anniversary.  We didn't market it that way, it was more of an internal thing.  The pin striping was done by Wizard Pinstriping in Ohio.  I really like it.  And Bob is right: On the showroom floor, most customers would buy our standard 4500.  However, at the shows I never wheeled one home.   The titanium nitride made the machine operation extremely smooth, which I really liked.    It's not a machine for a price sensitive market, but we get a lot of guys who want something "cool".  We have lots of standard 4500s for those that want them.  

[bikermutt07]

2 hours ago, SolarLeatherMachines said:

The custom paint was our idea how to celebrate Cowboy's 15th Anniversary.  We didn't market it that way, it was more of an internal thing.  The pin striping was done by Wizard Pinstriping in Ohio.  I really like it.  And Bob is right: On the showroom floor, most customers would buy our standard 4500.  However, at the shows I never wheeled one home.   The titanium nitride made the machine operation extremely smooth, which I really liked.    It's not a machine for a price sensitive market, but we get a lot of guys who want something "cool".  We have lots of standard 4500s for those that want them.  

Someday when I buy a machine I'll be contacting you guys.

[bikermutt07]

On 1/5/2017 at 4:21 PM, SolarLeatherMachines said:

The custom paint was our idea how to celebrate Cowboy's 15th Anniversary.  We didn't market it that way, it was more of an internal thing.  The pin striping was done by Wizard Pinstriping in Ohio.  I really like it.  And Bob is right: On the showroom floor, most customers would buy our standard 4500.  However, at the shows I never wheeled one home.   The titanium nitride made the machine operation extremely smooth, which I really liked.    It's not a machine for a price sensitive market, but we get a lot of guys who want something "cool".  We have lots of standard 4500s for those that want them.  

Alexander, I know this is an old thread, but...... I was tooling around on your site today and watched Ryan's video on the 341. He mentioned twice in the video that the 341 may be able to handle 207 thread. 

Was that ever confirmed???

Thanks

[CowboyBob]

YEs, 207 works on the CB341.

[bikermutt07]

21 minutes ago, CowboyBob said:

YEs, 207 works on the CB341.

YES!!! Well, that settles it then. I have made my final decision. Now I just need the two grand from somewhere.