Ever seen this vacuum setup?

[carguy4471]

Someone pointed out this vacuum setup to me....   was wondering if anyone has ever tried on or had any thoughts.

http://www.roarockit.com/skateboard-building/thin-air-press/tap-kits/thin-air-press-kit-26x28/#.WMK5J1UrKCg

 

 

[JLSleather]

Does that INCLUDE a pump?  Seems pricey if the pump aint in there.

 

[Mattsbagger]

7 minutes ago, JLSleather said:

Does that INCLUDE a pump?  Seems pricey if the pump aint in there.

 

In pricing it says Super pump upgrade. $2.00 so I think it has a pump.

[JLSleather]

I mean a actual pump.  The little pic looks like it came with my baby girl's bicycle

See kin i find that link to one that some leather girls n boys use....

I didn't see the post I was thinking of, but did find the info.  This post shows pics of the setup that some found useful.

 

Edited March 10, 2017 by JLSleather

[Northmount]

Includes a hand pump.  Notice it is a Canadian company, located in the Toronto area.  Price I see is $70 Can.  So with the exchange rate, In US$ will be around 30% less.

Tom

[OLDNSLOW]

what you have found is a very basic system that would still need a vacuum pump capable of pulling a deep vacuum, there are other systems on the market that offer more than what is offered in that system.  What is going to be the most costly part if the vacuum pump, there are systems out there that will include a pump and a vacuum table like set up.  Wood workers are some of the craftsmen that started using those to help glue Formica to wood in all types of configurations.  I did Kydex for a short time and built a system that is similar yet a little different than what you showing and it works great but there are draw backs and some jobs need to be handled with caution, I almost punched a hole in the membrane while forming a holster for a six shooter.

Good luck  

[Thornton]

Any vacuum and a garbage bag will do the same thing for far less money.

[fredk]

What about a clothes storage bag and a vac? The clothes bag already has a vac connection and is of thicker material.

Local shop to me sells clothes vac storage bags in various sizes for £1 [US$1.50?] for one or two - depending on size

What would you use it for in leather working?

[OLDNSLOW]

I wondered about those myself, however a vacuum is not going to provide enough deep vacuum that is needed to help do a vacuum form for a holster.  I could be wrong and if you keep searching utube you might find where someone has used a household vacuum to form a holster, and I think if it is much thinner leather it may work well, but it is when you get up to the 8-9oz leather that it will lack the power needed to get any decent results. 

[Thornton]

37 minutes ago, OLDNSLOW said:

I wondered about those myself, however a vacuum is not going to provide enough deep vacuum that is needed to help do a vacuum form for a holster.  I could be wrong and if you keep searching utube you might find where someone has used a household vacuum to form a holster, and I think if it is much thinner leather it may work well, but it is when you get up to the 8-9oz leather that it will lack the power needed to get any decent results. 

You haven't done it but it isn't going to work. That's almost as bad as passing along misinfirmation.

[carguy4471]

These kits are designed for veneer work, such as skateboards.  On the description of the basic pump included with the kit the description says:

"The Thin Air Press pump is capable of removing all the air from the small Thin Air Press vacuum bags in less than a minute. It is a low volume, but high-pressure pump and will create almost 3000 lbs of pressure over the size of a skateboard deck!"

I would have to believe that's a smidge more than my foodsaver, that does a ok-ish job.  

[MADMAX22]

8 minutes ago, carguy4471 said:

These kits are designed for veneer work, such as skateboards.  On the description of the basic pump included with the kit the description says:

"The Thin Air Press pump is capable of removing all the air from the small Thin Air Press vacuum bags in less than a minute. It is a low volume, but high-pressure pump and will create almost 3000 lbs of pressure over the size of a skateboard deck!"

I would have to believe that's a smidge more than my foodsaver, that does a ok-ish job.  

Over the size of a skateboard deck which has a bunch of area, curious how they are figuring that out.

 

As far as doing holsters and sheaths the food saver has worked pretty darn good IMHO. Draws down to 23in I think if I remember right. Ive used a much better hand pump then what is pictured in the link and yes it would draw down a good vacuum but that was in a very small space and it still took some effort. Not something I would want to be fiddling with doing any number of holsters/sheaths. Far easier to get a cheapo vacuum pump and setup a table dedicated to the job.

[carguy4471]

28 minutes ago, MADMAX22 said:

Over the size of a skateboard deck which has a bunch of area, curious how they are figuring that out.

 

As far as doing holsters and sheaths the food saver has worked pretty darn good IMHO. Draws down to 23in I think if I remember right. Ive used a much better hand pump then what is pictured in the link and yes it would draw down a good vacuum but that was in a very small space and it still took some effort. Not something I would want to be fiddling with doing any number of holsters/sheaths. Far easier to get a cheapo vacuum pump and setup a table dedicated to the job.

The surface area bit makes sense.  I wouldn't mind picking one up if I thought it may outperform the foodsaver I'm using.  

I've briefly looked into other setups but the pumps are always a bit spendy for my liking.  I think if I could do the project for under $150 all told I may be interested.  I can't to the table style though, I'd have to run a bag.  I have a very small home and space is at a premium.  I need to be able to put things away when I'm not working.   

[OLDNSLOW]

6 hours ago, Thornton said:

You haven't done it but it isn't going to work. That's almost as bad as passing along misinfirmation.

I went back and reread what I said and not sure what your getting at, I have used a vacuum table and still use one, but not with a household vacuum or a food processor, I do think the food processor would draw more vacuum than a house hold vacuum, but when I decided that I was going to attempt it I knew that I was going to need the largest pump I could afford or there was no point in attempting the process.   Carguy if you keep an eye open on craigslist you might be able to find an automotive type pump that is for sale and or gather up a harbor freight coupon for 20% off and save up and buy one of there pumps, that along with the bag system you should be able to rig something up that can be used an put away when not in use.  Take a look at Adams leather utube video and his use of one that is the system your wanting to put together.

[Dwight]

This is the one I've got, . . . and it is fully every bit the pump one needs to use a bag.

It "might be" a bit short for use on a big vacuum table, . . . but in my 24 inch square bag, . . . it'll pull it right down, . . . right quick.

AND, . . . there are always 20% off coupons for Harbor Freight.

My whole system came in at about $80, . . . bag, pump, hose, valve, . . . the whole magillicuddy, . . .

May God bless,

Dwight

http://www.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html

[Thornton]

1 hour ago, OLDNSLOW said:

I went back and reread what I said and not sure what your getting at, I have used a vacuum table and still use one, but not with a household vacuum or a food processor, I do think the food processor would draw more vacuum than a house hold vacuum, but when I decided that I was going to attempt it I knew that I was going to need the largest pump I could afford or there was no point in attempting the process.   Carguy if you keep an eye open on craigslist you might be able to find an automotive type pump that is for sale and or gather up a harbor freight coupon for 20% off and save up and buy one of there pumps, that along with the bag system you should be able to rig something up that can be used an put away when not in use.  Take a look at Adams leather utube video and his use of one that is the system your wanting to put together.

I have used a shop vac and a garbage bag to form leather. It works fine. You have not, by your own words, yet you say it will not work. How would you know without actual experience? Don't pass along false, bad, or misleading information. It doesn't do anyone any good.

[OLDNSLOW]

bravo for you and your garbage bag.

[SLP]

I have one, use it on double layer 6/7 oz lined with 4/5 oz holsters, among other projects, and like it very much. I do try to protect it from sharp edges. If you look in the picture you will note that there is a rag around the grip of the 45.

Edited March 12, 2017 by SLP