And it aint even April Fool's yet ...

[Silverd]

On 4/24/2018 at 10:12 AM, JLSleather said:

Patterns aren't that difficult... only ONE INSIDE DIMENSION actually fits - for example - a 5" 1911 .45cal.  Certainly there are variations in the cosmetics, but it either fits or it doesn't.

But I'm never swayed by 'name dropping', or names at all.  Everybody messed with leather knows who Al Stohlman was, even if they don't carve much.  I don't know if he was THE BEST, but he certainly was the BEST KNOWN.  Which is my point -- being widely recognized didn't make him any better or worse than if nobody ever heard of him.  Holster makers have pretty much all heard of Bianchi, but I don't see anything stellar about his PRINTED work (I'm willing to accept the possibility he may have done things MORE IMPRESSIVE and I just haven't seen them).  What's in a name? Nothing.  When I was a kid, you couldn't eat breakfast cereal without seeing a picture of Bruce Jenner - 5 time olympic gold... blahblah.. Now he's ... WHATEVER he is. ...

Which was the point about veterans.  That "it's for the vets" thing carries NO weight here, but I've got that one a number of times.  I've known vets who were great guys, doing their thing, raising families, minding their business.  AND I've known vets who are now serving prison sentences.   So that alone buys nothing.  (It was a vet who blew up the OK city building, and a vet became the DC Sniper).  COPS about the same way - and you see a lot of those around leather, particularly holsters.  While some of them may have once been up to something commendable and worth recognition, many are now simply fat old men who have come to think they are owed something, or hope to use their history of not getting a job as some sort of "reference'

FUNNY story -- a while back, I was barking by the street with yet another of those people unwilling to tend to their own life. Guy down the street walked over, invited himself to the conversation, and got told whatever is going on here was not up to him.  And I admit, I deliberately added a bit of "smart mouth" in the tone.  And the guy says, "in case you didn't know, I'm a cop".  And I answered, "since I JUST MET you, I don't see where that could possibly be my fault."  So, conclude:  don't tell me your a vet, or a cop, or ex-cop, whatever, and assume that "earns" you something.  I have TWO brothers-in-law who are cops - in different countries - and I wouldn't close both eyes around either of them.

I may have brought some of it on myself.  I have been known to sell things at or below cost to help a guy out, I've GIVEN things to people I thought they could use, so maybe people decided that I do that all the time.  

...Patterns aren't that difficult?  Oh my! Perhaps for holsters which are fixed to the functional geometry of a specific host iron but make an original curvy multi panel hand bag or custom wearable item and the process of pattern creation takes on a life of its own. Just saying my friend!

Silverd

[JLSleather]

Well, we were talking about holster patterns.  As for that other stuff, I just meant things that a man would do.

 

[RockyAussie]

4 minutes ago, JLSleather said:

Well, we were talking about holster patterns.  As for that other stuff, I just meant things that a man would do.

 

Well.....Thems fighten words I reckon.

[Silverd]

OMG...richer men than you design products purchased by smarter woman than you...that must make you feel funny huh!

Silverd

[fredk]

On 3/25/2018 at 8:36 PM, Sheilajeanne said:

Reminds me of when I used to work for a well -known nursery in Canada (Weall and Cullen) and a customer asked me if I could cut a foot off a 6' Christmas tree, and sell it to her for the same  price as a 5' tree...  

She actually made me go and ask my manager if this were possible. Of course, the answer was a big, fat NO!  

My son told me of a customer he had recently.

No.1 son rebuilds, refurbishes, repairs and sells modern classic BMW cars.

A customer came in, liked a 5 series, wanted to buy it. Went away, came back a few days later; he could not afford the insurance on that car with a big capacity engine. Would my son swop out the big engine for a smaller capacity one then sell him the car at the price of a 5 series with the smaller engine?

[JLSleather]

On 6/4/2018 at 7:53 PM, fredk said:

. Would my son swop out the big engine for a smaller capacity one then sell him the car at the price of a 5 series with the smaller engine?

  Oh, yeah - that counts.

I saw a thing - maybe best word to use for it -- where a guy took a pattern from an old publication, offered it for sale, then wrote a paragraph in the sales pitch that it violates copyright law to copy, sell, give, distribute "his" pattern.