Juki 1341 questions

[chrisash]

Sometimes you can be so obsesed to use a design , that you fail to apply lateral thinking to overcome the faults you have identified with the present design, 

[Uwe]

The best heavy duty synchronized binder machine with a cylinder arm and enough "oomph" I've seen is the Durkopp Adler 205-370.  Kwok Hing still makes the 205 binder kit consisting of a KH205 binder and a KH205B support sheet (each around $100) and you can buy it directly from http://khsew.com 

Durkopp Adler stopped making the 205 a decade ago, but clone manufacturers still make and sell the DA 205-370 design. Cowboy 205-370 is one example for around $3,500. Some 205 clones lack the access hole on top of the arm that you need to install the binder. Here's a video of the Cowboy 205 binder setup:

I made an installation video for the 205 binder kit some time ago:

Here's my binding demo video with various materials:

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Uwe

[R8R]

5 hours ago, Uwe said:

The best heavy duty synchronized binder machine with a cylinder arm and enough "oomph" I've seen is the Durkopp Adler 205-370. 

I considered it. Plenty of umph but what is the lightest a 205 will go to realistically? There may be too wide a gap of what my 2810 can do and what that a 205 can do.

[Uwe]

I managed to make my DA 205-370 sew reliably using size 90 Kevlar thread sewing a 2mm thick leather binding tape (1mm thick tape folded once). It also stepped from sewing just the tape up to the 10-14mm thick stack of material for actual binding and then back down to only the tape, all without adjustments. It wasn't easy but that's my real world experience of lower sewing limit and stepping up/down limit of the Durkopp Adler 205-370.

I think there's really a fair amount of capability overlap instead of a gap between the Juki 2810 and the DA 205-370.

[R8R]

7 minutes ago, Uwe said:

I think there's really a fair amount of capability overlap instead of a gap between the Juki 2810 and the DA 205-370.

Hmmm...

And I could easily step down to a small swing away on the 2810 if I needed to do any thinner binding with 69 thread or less. It's the bigger/thicker binding that I can't find a solution for.

Hmmm...

And I'd have a 205 for anything the upper limit of the 2810 could not manage.

Hmmm...

[JJN]

@R8R, I am curious about your experience with the Techsew 2600. You said you were not happy with it, not enough umph. The specs show maximum thread as 138. You are considering a Juki DSC-246 and from my searching is limited to 92 thread. What range of capacities are you looking for. I ask because I am looking for a binder for my Juki 1341.

[R8R]

2 hours ago, JJN said:

@R8R, I am curious about your experience with the Techsew 2600. You said you were not happy with it, not enough umph. The specs show maximum thread as 138. You are considering a Juki DSC-246 and from my searching is limited to 92 thread. What range of capacities are you looking for. I ask because I am looking for a binder for my Juki 1341.

The Techsew 2600 actually sewed what I needed it to sew - thick binding with 92 thread. The synchro binder worked well. Not sure if it would handle 138 well. Maybe, but I didn't get that far with it. 

I returned it for other reasons, of which I won't speak of here, I am still waiting for this transaction to be resolved.

 

In my experience Juki is conservative with their specs so I bet the genuine 246 would handle 138 with a little tweaking. It's still in my short list of machines if I can find a decent used one. New, it's too close in price to some other nice really machines.

 

For the 1341 - you are looking at a custom solution or ordering their fixed binder attachment. The OEM synchro attachment kit is no longer an option.

[R8R]

Ok and just to make it all more complicated, I am looking at the DA 669 Eco. Dammit.

[R8R]

And then Hightex (Cowboy) went and posted this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSvDOyIgFQ

 

 

Hmm.

[JJN]

Interesting. They call this a Cowbow CB6500 medium to heavy sewing machine. It looks exactly like a Juki LS-1341. That binder is not synchronized, just bolted to a metal plate. I looked at the specs and they list maximum thread as 277 but the needle range is 20-24. I think a 277 thread needs a 25-28 needle, doesn't it? I don't have any personal experience in this range of thread. It must be fairly new as Cowboysew posted the video 3 days ago. Maybe one of the Cowboy dealers can comment here.