Is there an attachement for CB4500 for finishing leather edges?

[RusticLeatherShop]

Hi,

I cant make it work to burnish leather edges so I am looking for alternative methods to finish leather edges.

I believe I have seen an attachment for the Cowboy 4500 to fold over leather over the edges (and sew it on in the process) as such being an method to finish the product nicely.

Has anybody such device? How does that work? It's supposed to call HT-BF01 Hevy duty leather binder attachment as in here https://hightex-germany.de/cowboy-cb4500-leather-stitching-machine-and-special-sewing-equipment/

Whats does that device exactly?

Is that availlable in the USA as well?

[garypl]

Why not just glue and sew a strip of 1-2 oz leather to make a nice edge?  I do this on the growler caddies I make.

Gary

[Wizcrafts]

I asked Bob Kovar about this edge binder set and he says they are available by special order for $450. Bob owns Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines.

[chrisash]

What about rolled edges, Skive the edge and roll it over, stick it down and sew

[RusticLeatherShop]

I have no skiver nor locally leather glue is availlable.

I hate using glue on leather so I avoid it completely.

Has anyone experience with that leather binder Attachement?

[Matt S]

12 minutes ago, RusticLeatherShop said:

I have no skiver nor locally leather glue is availlable.

I hate using glue on leather so I avoid it completely.

You don't need a skiving machine, people have been skiving for centuries with just a knife.

There's plenty of glues that work on leather that aren't specifically designed for it. Normal contact cement is popular, and even regular white PVA like you might use for wood works well on leather, so long as you apply pressure to the leather until the glue is dry.

I used to hate the delay and so avoided glueing leather for a long time, but honestly it really held me back in the projects I could make.

What leather are you trying to burnish? Generally it's only the vegetable tanned leathers that will burnish. Thin leathers are difficult to burnish by hand. I have had some success burnishing chrome tannages using a high-speed wheel.

[RusticLeatherShop]

I tried burnishing with putting an metal pulley wheel on an 3500 RPM bench grinder. That did not give me any good results. Leather is 4 to 5 oz veg tanned leather from cattle but I switched to pig leather for it being here higher Quality.

Yeah, for 450$ by Toledo machines for an binder which costs at Amazon.com (although for another machine but still...) 10$ to 13$.

According to all I learned about the binder it's Overall just an bent Piece of metal which folds an passing through leather or Cloth in half so it slides underneath and on top of the leather material to sew.

Dunno how that can cost 25% of the entire Cobra Class IV machine Equipment. 450$ for a bent metal seems to me a sort of rip off.

On Amazon one may see if an Standard binding attachment is not Fitting These machines like those sold by sail rite. Obviously one is not able to bind with These 7/8" leather saddles or similar.

[Wizcrafts]

I forgot to mention that the $450 price also includes a synchronized moving mounting bracket and actuator linkage for a CB4500 (etc).

Edited August 27, 2018 by Wizcrafts
Corrected info about what is included with the binder attachment

[RusticLeatherShop]

2 minutes ago, Wizcrafts said:

I forgot to mention that the $450 price apparently includes special presser feet to match the right angle binder.

The question is is it worthed?

I have seen Videos were it is not working as perfect as it ought to do.

As well on the Hightex Germany site they Show These with ONLY 1 layer of leather. So if you have sewn together 4 layers of 5 Oz leather then I would want to bind those 4 layers with the binder Attachement (totalling 4 + 2 binding edges = 6 layers of 5 Oz leather). Would it do that? I have never seen more than 1 layer bound with These.

If it's only for 1 layer of leather, it's not worthed it.

It must be capable of about 3 inches of material (entrance) so it bends the leather to 1.5" on each side. That way one could sew about 7/8" of leather so still on each side is 1" of binder and on the binding part as well 1" about totalling 3" broad binder.

Important is as well the binding leather material can be about 5 oz thick leather since I dont have an skiver. If it can handle only the thinnest softest leather, then it's not for me since locally such leathers are not availlable (and I dont have a skiver or leather splitter).

Since business in leather area is not going very well over here, the 450$ is not worthed the Investment if it binds only 1 layer of 5 Oz leather and not more. Even with an capacity to bind effectively 7/8" of sewn together leather, it's too expensive.

[Wizcrafts]

19 hours ago, RusticLeatherShop said:

The question is is it worthed?

SNIP

Important is as well the binding leather material can be about 5 oz thick leather since I dont have an skiver. If it can handle only the thinnest softest leather, then it's not for me since locally such leathers are not availlable (and I dont have a skiver or leather splitter).

Since business in leather area is not going very well over here, the 450$ is not worthed the Investment if it binds only 1 layer of 5 Oz leather and not more. Even with an capacity to bind effectively 7/8" of sewn together leather, it's too expensive.

You are going to have to contact a custom attachment shop to have one built to your specifications. Perhaps you could purchase an inexpensive folder to use as a sample to have one made that can do what you want in a metal fabrication shop.

The last custom folder I had made cost me $428 and it was for double folding 1.25 inch bias tape over the edges of thin orange honeycomb vinyl safety vests used by Police and road workers. Before getting a custom binder it was hit and miss. With that binder the results were professional. Professional results can be sold to critical buyers.

If you were to contact an Atlanta Attachment Company with your requirements they could give you a ballpark cost for a custom build. What would it hurt to send an email to Cowboy/Hightex in China asking them for the capacity of their big folder, or if they can modify it for you?