Durkopp Adler 767

[taydiggz]

After browsing new DA 867’s my local DA dealer told me about the 11 767’s from a recently closed factory that will be available with full automatic and programmable features and also with EKFA motors. The price he quoted me was $2,700 for one and he will let me pick the first of the 11 available. What do yall think?  Good deal or spend double for a new but less equipped machine?  Do all these bells and whistles such as programmable back tack, pressure foot adjustment at touch of a button, needle positioning, etc need to be there or is it just more stuff to malfunction in the future?

He claims the machines are in very good condition. 

 

Please share your thoughts. I will be doing low production leather work making furniture upholstery. 

Edited November 14, 2018 by taydiggz

[Wizcrafts]

Did you mean to type "back" tack rather than "bar" tack?

[R8R]

The bells and whistles are nice, but you aren't doing high volume, which is what the bells and whistles are for.

You can buy a brand new machine with the same sewing capacity with a warranty for the same money.

[taydiggz]

Yes meant back track. He is offering a 1 year warranty on the machine, same as a new  DA. 

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by taydiggz

[R8R]

The Efka motor will most likely be 220v. Impossible to say if this is a good deal without seeing the machines.

[taydiggz]

I have single and 3 phase 220v so no issue there. I understand its difficult to gauge but surely there is a price range for a used 767 assuming it functions perfectly?  These are the newer, white 767’s not the older grey ones. 

Edited November 14, 2018 by taydiggz

[shoepatcher]

That is a good price and a good machine.  I have a 767-FA-573  machine with all the toys and the oversize bobbin on a ergo table.  Nice machine.  I have about $2200.00 in mine.  It also has dual stitch lengths.  A plain  ergo 867 with a servo motor is probably about $3800.00 and change not counting shipping and/or sales tax.  Both are good machines.  What so they want for the 867 if I may ask?

glenn

[taydiggz]

They said the 867 was around 4k for the eco with the mid range direct drive being 5k fully automatic was around 7k i think. I sort of stopped paying attention as I had no desire to spend that much. 

[kgg]

I agree with R8R for the money I would look at a new machine. Not one that in the worst case was hammered to death in a factory environment unless the price was really, really good and you could do the repairs yourself. I would look at a new machine not necessarily with all the fancy do da's but a machine that would do the job plus a little bit for future. My thought is the more computer controlled features the more expensive the maintenance / repairs down the road and parts are going to be expensive.

[shoepatcher]

Yeah,

But believe it or not, I found  less problems with machines with the toys vs. without the toys. With the toys, the machine cuts the thread and holds it to start the next stitch.  To many beginners have problems holding the thread when you start sewing.  The machine helps eliminate some of the other problems.  Just my 2 cents.  Figure out which machine you want first.  Then check dealers around for best price.

  if  you are buying a new machine, buy the 867 Adler Eco or look at the 2810 from Juki.  That is Juki's copy of the 867.  I hear good things about it and  it is cheaper than the Adler 867.  Adler's are the best, no questions asked.  Contact MJ Foley in Detroit and see what their prices on both machines are.  I always contact multiple dealers for prices.  Like buying records, who can give you the best price and service.  

glenn

[chrisash]

Agree with KGG the problem with electronics is they only make them for about 2-3 years and then add the new all singing and dancing version, The end result you have about 3 years of machines plus maybe a years of spares in stock, they are not reparable componant boards so once broken you rely on spares that are probably not available. I can point you to thousands of dead computerised embroidery machines ( elaborate sewing machines) electronics no longer available but mechanically still ok but useless. Any machine before about 2000 has decades of life left, unfortunatly new machines with electronics probably not the same life so will depreciate quicker

[R8R]

I have the Juki 2810 with 1100w positioning servo on it. Rock solid machine. It was $2850 altogether after I added the better motor.

[taydiggz]

Ok, well a bit of a curveball.  I showed up today and instead of the 767 he had completely redone a 367 with new efka motor, controls, transformer, and a bunch of replaced parts.  It has pneumatic lift with a new regulator as well. He charged me 2800 and offered to trade it for a new machine if I was unsatisfied along with offering the same 1 year warranty that comes with DA machines.  How'd I do?

[shoepatcher]

The 367 has  a horizontal hook.  Weaver sold them for a while but had trouble with them sewing heavy leather.  Horizontal hooks with the exception of the 3200, 441 and 205-370 do not sew as well as vertical hooks in heavy leather.  The aforementioned have barrel shuttles which is different.     Those are proven.

Don't get me wrong.  The 367 is a good machine but not for sewing heavy type leather.  Adler only had the machine out for about 5 years is I remember.  just my 2 cents.

glenn

[taydiggz]

The bobbin loads from the side, meaning mine is a vertical hook, no?

[R8R]

41 minutes ago, taydiggz said:

The bobbin loads from the side, meaning mine is a vertical hook, no?

No a vertical hook has a drop-in bobbin.

[JJN]

Vertical hook refers to the axis of the hook or bobbin. A vertical axis hook.