Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 28, 2019 Moderator Report Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, shoepatcher said: I am going to post this here since people with 441 clones are reading this.. Beiler's in Pennsylvania sells a flat throat plate for the 441 similar to the one Weaver makes and sells for the 205. Unlike that flat plat that is now available in which you have to remove the feed dog to use it, this plate has the slot to leave the feed dog in. I have one of the flat plates from Weaver. It is easier to sew items with this plate over the curved plate that comes with the machines. I think Beiler's sells the plate for around $40.00. Yeah, they are not a dealer that advertises on this site but they seam to be the only one that has this plate available for sale. Guys and gals owning a Cobra, Cowboy or the like, buy one of the plates. You will thank me later. glenn I can't find this company in a Google search. Would you know if they have a website, or are on social media? A link would help. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members shoepatcher Posted January 29, 2019 Members Report Posted January 29, 2019 Wiz, the part # is 44712 A-22-F Flat throat plate for feed dog, wide slot price $48.00 They sell the genuine Juki 441 as well as a clone No web site. They compete against Weaver. Ask for a catalogue. My hope is you will get a throat plate, use it and put out the word. Bob at Toledo does not carry one if I remember correctly. Beiler's Manufacturing and Supply 3025 Harvest Drive Ronks, PA 17572 717-768-0097 Hope that helps. glenn Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 29, 2019 Moderator Report Posted January 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, shoepatcher said: Wiz, the part # is 44712 A-22-F Flat throat plate for feed dog, wide slot price $48.00 Bob at Toledo does not carry one if I remember correctly. glenn Bob has always had a flat slotted throat plate since he started carrying the Cowboy machines. I have one in my shop. The only difference is that the Cowboy slotted plate requires removal of the feed dog. It is very thin, just like the standard curved plate. This takes me about 5 minutes. I will contact the Amish Country dealer about his plate. Thanks Glenn. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members SolarLeatherMachines Posted January 29, 2019 Members Report Posted January 29, 2019 20 hours ago, shoepatcher said: Keep in mind, there are 3 classes of manufacturers of sewing machines in China. I call them A, B and C. Cobra, Cowboy, Techsew are Grade A manufacturers. Great machines with very few problems. The B grade manufacturers can make pretty good machines and can make some bad ones. It is a crap shoot at times. The C grade manufacturers make boat anchors. Period. You must know which class of manufacturer your machine comes from. Steve at Cobra, Bob and Alexander on Cowboy, Ralph at Techsew have all spent years establishing their reputations as well as getting machines that work. When you buy a machine form these guys, they have been gone thru to eliminate problems, check settings, check and tighten all the nuts bolts and set screws. That takes time and knowledge. These dealers have that. Unless you know how to work on these machines, buy from them, if for nothing more, peace of mind. Pay the extra money and get a proven one or you will regret it later both in time and money. Tell me I am wrong. Buy the way, a new genuine Juki TSC-441 now costs about $6500.00 set up. Not CHEAP! glenn Thank you very much for the high praise! It's an honor to be included with those names. Sincerely, thank you. Alexander Quote Alexander
Members shoepatcher Posted January 30, 2019 Members Report Posted January 30, 2019 Wiz, When you remove the feed dog on the 441 Clone to put the their flat plate on, you have loss 1/3 of your feeding power. In essence, you have a needle and top feed machine. This plate that Beiler's sells lets you leave the feed dog in but with a flat needle plate. Much easier to sew on than the curved plate, believe me. I will not go back to the curved plate on my 205! glenn Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 30, 2019 Moderator Report Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, shoepatcher said: Wiz, When you remove the feed dog on the 441 Clone to put the their flat plate on, you have loss 1/3 of your feeding power. In essence, you have a needle and top feed machine. This plate that Beiler's sells lets you leave the feed dog in but with a flat needle plate. Much easier to sew on than the curved plate, believe me. I will not go back to the curved plate on my 205! glenn Are you saying that Beiler's flat plate retains the use of the moving feed dog? I thought you were telling me about an alternate narrow slotted throat plate that would sit above the top of the feed dog as it moves up and down. My holster plate already does that. I can leave the feed dog in when I install the raised holster plate. Could you post a picture of this new style flat plate? I Grok things better visually. Before I got my Cowboy CB4500, I used Union Lockstitch machines for holster and harness sewing. They are dual feed with jump foot and needle feed. This was a better system in my opinion, until you get into thinner needles. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members shoepatcher Posted January 30, 2019 Members Report Posted January 30, 2019 Yes Just like the curved plate that comes with he machine only plate is flat. Feed dog stays in machine. Much better. The flat plate that Bob sells with the machine to me sucks. Plus, this flat plate does not hang over the edge as far. Why Cowboy made this flat plate this way so you have to remove the feed dog makes no since to me. The problem with the holster plate is their is a part on the plate that is raised up. This plate has nothing raised on it. Look at the flat plate for the 205 that Weaver sells. It is just like that plate only it fits the 441. glenn Quote
alpha2 Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 8:25 AM, Brazo said: Which dealer did you buy you CB4500 from? Bob at Toledo Quote So much leather...so little time.
alpha2 Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 8:49 AM, Smartee said: I'm currently looking to purchase a machine and Cowboy is one of the ones I'm looking at. You stated "supposed to be like a Cowboy" - am I to assume this isn't an actual Cowboy and one of the machines that ship directly to the purchaser without being set up and run off of? Thanks! the machine is a Cowboy, the accessory parts are unknown to me. Maybe Cowboy, maybe not. I imagine there are many companies cranking out parts for Juki clones. Quote So much leather...so little time.
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