Oval punches

[Sheilajeanne]

Nice bit of country, Frodo! 

Here's what a traffic jam looks like in my neck of the woods - yours too, I'm sure!

 

 

Ummm...what was the topic again?? 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Sheilajeanne

[Spyros]

2 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Yes, it gets cheaper. And you also need to have a larger lot, to make room for your septic system. I'm in a small town only an hour from Toronto, and there is no sewage system here, though we do have municipal water.

The real estate sales slowed dramatically during the lockdown, but now that it's eased, sales in the Toronto area are breaking records. Seems that prices went down during the lockdown, which has fueled the buying frenzy. Toronto real estate prices were insane before, and I can guarantee they will soon get back to their previous level with the way things are going.

I am so glad to be living in a small town that surrounded by mostly farms and patches of forest.

Bucks Raptors ECF, who ya got?

[Sheilajeanne]

Huh?  I know the Raptors are Toronto's basketball team, and the Bucks are a baseball team out of Milwaukee, but what the heck is ECF? 

I have been known to root for the Toronto Argonauts (CFL football) but don't have much interest in baseball (Blue Jays).

As for hockey, I was a Maple Leaf fan in the 60's and 70's, but when your team goes more than 50 years without winning the Cup, well, your interest kind of fades. My all--time favourite Leaf will always be Johnny Bower. He lived just the next street over from us when I was in High School, and he was SUCH a nice man! My dad taught his daughter, Cindy, in Grade 6.

I do billet hockey players for a local Junior 'A' team, though. It's ...interesting... to see the lack of 'adulting' skills in these 18 to 20 year old kids. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Sheilajeanne

[Spyros]

28 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Huh?  I know the Raptors are Toronto's basketball team, and the Bucks are a baseball team out of Milwaukee, but what the heck is ECF? 

I have been known to root for the Toronto Argonauts (CFL football) but don't have much interest in baseball (Blue Jays).

As for hockey, I was a Maple Leaf fan in the 60's and 70's, but when your team goes more than 50 years without winning the Cup, well, your interest kind of fades. My all--time favourite Leaf will always be Johnny Bower. He lived just the next street over from us when I was in High School, and he was SUCH a nice man! My dad taught his daughter, Cindy, in Grade 6.

I do billet hockey players for a local Junior 'A' team, though. It's ...interesting... to see the lack of 'adulting' skills in these 18 to 20 year old kids. 

Αhhh ok you're not a fan, I thought everyone over there would be after the Raps won it all last year.   ECF= eastern conference finals, they beat the Milwaukee Bucks last year and it's shaping up to be the same pair again this year, only the Raps have lost their best player whose contract expired and opted to go home to LA.   Playoffs start next week

Edited August 15, 2020 by Spyros

[fredk]

6 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Well, most of Europe doesn't need room to store snowmobiles! 

I've noticed, the farther north you go in Canada, the larger the garages get. You need room for your SUV, snowmobile, ATV, canoe, riding mower and patio set.

About 6 years ago we had a very heavy snowfall. About 5ft in rural areas, 3 ft in cities. Local airport spent £150,000 on a snow plough/blower for the runways. By the time they got it the snow was gone. The airport has not needed it since. This past winter we had 1 inch of snow for all of 36 hours.

That picture of a 'traffic jam'; if that was here, the double line would be white and all those drivers would get a fine for crossing them

Here is my letter aligning frame; 

I posted up about this some time ago, here

https://leatherworker.net/forum/topic/88027-some-ideas-for-your-letter-stamping/?tab=comments#comment-601367

12 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said:

Nearly every time I go to the local dump, I see bicycles people have thrown away for scrap metal. It makes me very sad.

There is a man in the nearest large town that fixes up and sells old bikes for a living. I wish there were more people who did that!

Here, there was a man who did that. No longer. Don't know what happened to him. But through him a lot of less-well off people could buy bikes for themselves and children. Now you can't touch a basic bike for less than £300

[chuck123wapati]

5 hours ago, fredk said:

 

Here, there was a man who did that. No longer. Don't know what happened to him. But through him a lot of less-well off people could buy bikes for themselves and children. Now you can't touch a basic bike for less than £300

I tried setting up a bike shop after i retired but in this part of the US there is little interest. To cold to ride for 6months of the year and most of the bikes now are so cheaply made and disposable that its just not worth it for people to pay to have them repaired. You can go to commie mart and buy a bike cheaper than you can replace the innertubes for.  Very sad thing they, big business, have taught our young folk that the only way to live is to buy brand new and then throw it away instead of keeping it repaired.  Why i love my MGB i can still buy every part for it and fix it myself.

Back on topic Why not just make a template out of leather shaped just like a belt with the holes and end cut to shape, lay it down on your belt blank and mark the holes trim the end and your done. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by chuck123wapati

[Sheilajeanne]

Chuck, yeah, that's sad we've become a throwaway society. Fortunately, I've got enough skills to be able to fix most things on a bike myself. Not sure I'd want to tackle a tire, though - the are tricky, and it's so easy to puncture the innertube when putting it back on the rim!

 

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Back on topic Why not just make a template out of leather shaped just like a belt with the holes and end cut to shape, lay it down on your belt blank and mark the holes trim the end and your done. 

EXACTLY what I do!

[Sheilajeanne]

Fred, they're not very strict about fining people who cross the line here, especially if it's due to a slow moving vehicle. I am sure if you were speeding and passing dangerously, it would be a different story.

I have a letter aligning frame I bought from Tandy, but have never found much use for it. It's too fiddly - even a slight touch can knock it out of alignment!  I prefer to use a leather marking pen for positioning the letters.

[Spyros]

8 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

I tried setting up a bike shop after i retired but in this part of the US there is little interest. To cold to ride for 6months of the year and most of the bikes now are so cheaply made and disposable that its just not worth it for people to pay to have them repaired. You can go to commie mart and buy a bike cheaper than you can replace the innertubes for.  Very sad thing they, big business, have taught our young folk that the only way to live is to buy brand new and then throw it away instead of keeping it repaired.  Why i love my MGB i can still buy every part for it and fix it myself.

I don't know, there's a lot of expensive bikes out there... I have an e-bike and a chromoly gravel bike and I need my local bike shop at least once a year, mostly because I can't be bothered servicing disk brakes.   There's also a lot of specialised work out there, i was trying to put a rigid fork on a bike that was meant for a suspension fork, which is not easy because you're messing with the geometry of the bike, and I had to go to the other side of the city to find a bike shop that would take the job.   Everybody else said no, they didn't want it. 

And although what you're saying is true, the market has definitely changed and people shop cheap bikes online etc, a lot of bike shops failed because they just dont know how to run a business.  Most of them are bike enthusiasts themselves, and get sucked into doing all the interesting work for hours, and in the end they forget what the customer actually wanted.   Looking at them as a customer, most of them are just terrible, but I keep going back because they have the same love for bicycles as me, I enjoy the chat etc.   

The bike shops that had solid customer service and knew how to run a business survived and are still doing well.

Edited August 15, 2020 by Spyros

[chuck123wapati]

14 minutes ago, Spyros said:

I don't know, there's a lot of expensive bikes out there... I have an e-bike and a chromoly gravel bike and I need my local bike shop at least once a year, mostly because I can't be bothered servicing disk brakes.   There's also a lot of specialised work out there, i was trying to put a rigid fork on a bike that was meant for a suspension fork, which is not easy because you're messing with the geometry of the bike, and I had to go to the other side of the city to find a bike shop that would take the job.   Everybody else said no, they didn't want it. 

And although what you're saying is true, the market has definitely changed and people shop cheap bikes online etc, a lot of bike shops failed because they just dont know how to run a business.  Most of them are bike enthusiasts themselves, and get sucked into doing all the interesting work for hours, and in the end they forget what the customer actually wanted.   Looking at them as a customer, most of them are just terrible, but I keep going back because they have the same love for bicycles as me, I enjoy the chat etc.   

The bike shops that had solid customer service and knew how to run a business survived and are still doing well.

Maybe alot of expensive bikes out there but not out here lol.  My town is only about 7000 so just not enough high end business. If people seeing you riding a bike here they think you lost your drivers license lol. Front fork easy peasy, first off clamp your suspension fork so it doesn't move up or down  then adjust the length until you get the feel you want, the bike doesn't know geometry so it doesn't care a bit lol. Then get rigid forks that length.

[Spyros]

2 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

Maybe alot of expensive bikes out there but not out here lol.  My town is only about 7000 so just not enough high end business. If people seeing you riding a bike here they think you lost your drivers license lol. Front fork easy peasy, first off clamp your suspension fork so it doesn't move up or down  then adjust the length until you get the feel you want, the bike doesn't know geometry so it doesn't care a bit lol. Then get rigid forks that length.

 yeah it wasnt that simple.  You see the part of the fork that goes in the frame sometimes has a taper, and you have to match the taper with the frame.  Problem is there is no standard taper, every fork manufacturer uses a different one, and sometimes they don't even tell you in the specs you kinda have to guess or go by trial and error.  And the specific bike frame was meant for a different taper, so i needed an exact taper reducer and a couple of boosters that all work with eachother, plus some accurate cutting and an obscure axle that would work with this fork and my wheel.   And the geometry of course, the new fork was a touch shorter and that affects steering, you never know how sharply the bike will turn or what will be your body position on the bike until you do all the above and take it for a spin.  So I needed someone willing to start over in case I didn't like it.

Most guys guys i asked were like yeah.... nah LOL

Edited August 16, 2020 by Spyros

[chuck123wapati]

13 hours ago, Spyros said:

 yeah it wasnt that simple.  You see the part of the fork that goes in the frame sometimes has a taper, and you have to match the taper with the frame.  Problem is there is no standard taper, every fork manufacturer uses a different one, and sometimes they don't even tell you in the specs you kinda have to guess or go by trial and error.  And the specific bike frame was meant for a different taper, so i needed an exact taper reducer and a couple of boosters that all work with eachother, plus some accurate cutting and an obscure axle that would work with this fork and my wheel.   And the geometry of course, the new fork was a touch shorter and that affects steering, you never know how sharply the bike will turn or what will be your body position on the bike until you do all the above and take it for a spin.  So I needed someone willing to start over in case I didn't like it.

Most guys guys i asked were like yeah.... nah LOL

LOL well you sure made it sound complicated or your bike mechs did.  Our world is often hampered by the modern human brain always trying to overthink things. Kind of like building a jig to punch holes  when a scrap of leather can do the same thing just as well.

[Alaisiagae]

On 8/15/2020 at 10:59 AM, chuck123wapati said:

Back on topic Why not just make a template out of leather shaped just like a belt with the holes and end cut to shape, lay it down on your belt blank and mark the holes trim the end and your done. 

I made a belt at a Tandy class, and we used a wing divider to measure and mark where to put the holes. It worked well, my belt looks great and the holes are lined up. Round drive punches, plus the slot punch for the buckle tongue, and also a strap end punch (I used an English Point, I like the look of it). I want to get some strap end punches, but they're kind of expensive to try to have some in different sizes. =/ 

[Danne]

40 minutes ago, Alaisiagae said:

I made a belt at a Tandy class, and we used a wing divider to measure and mark where to put the holes. It worked well, my belt looks great and the holes are lined up. Round drive punches, plus the slot punch for the buckle tongue, and also a strap end punch (I used an English Point, I like the look of it). I want to get some strap end punches, but they're kind of expensive to try to have some in different sizes. =/ 

You can make templates and glue to thicker card paper. Scratch your point and "stab" walk around the shape (if that make sense?) if your don't feel comfortable with cutting the shape. If you cut the shape start with a primary cut and make as many secondary cuts you need.

dm me if you need English point templates (and give me the width's you need) And also if you print A4 or letter size.

[jcuk]

58 minutes ago, Alaisiagae said:

I made a belt at a Tandy class, and we used a wing divider to measure and mark where to put the holes. It worked well, my belt looks great and the holes are lined up. Round drive punches, plus the slot punch for the buckle tongue, and also a strap end punch (I used an English Point, I like the look of it). I want to get some strap end punches, but they're kind of expensive to try to have some in different sizes. =/ 

Church window point /English point you don't need all the sizes i only have two which i got when i first started out all those years ago than learned to do this.

Hope this helps

JCUK

[Spyros]

5 hours ago, jcuk said:

Church window point /English point you don't need all the sizes i only have two which i got when i first started out all those years ago than learned to do this.

Hope this helps

JCUK

You mean you learned to understand Scottish???

(jk this is a great video)

Edited August 16, 2020 by Spyros

[Spyros]

7 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

LOL well you sure made it sound complicated or your bike mechs did.  Our world is often hampered by the modern human brain always trying to overthink things. Kind of like building a jig to punch holes  when a scrap of leather can do the same thing just as well.

well considering the bike mechs were not taking the job it means they actually believed it was complicated.  The fork I wanted simply did not fit the frame.

[jcuk]

18 hours ago, Spyros said:

You mean you learned to understand Scottish???

(jk this is a great video)

How do you know that i am not Scottish myself.

Yes check his others videos out, no planning goes into them no thrills just honest videos that may help some and i know from first hand knowledge how good at this craft he is. 

And no i am not Scottish was going to use the rhyming slang term but would have confused you even more.

 

JCUK

P.S. just another use of the round knife save a lot of pennies buying punches or other tools you may not need if you learn to use one.  

Edited August 17, 2020 by jcuk

[chuck123wapati]

23 hours ago, Spyros said:

well considering the bike mechs were not taking the job it means they actually believed it was complicated.  The fork I wanted simply did not fit the frame.

oh i understand now. Here's my bike can you put this set of forks on it VS here's my bike can you put a set of forks on it. yea no wonder. 

[Spyros]

There's no set of forks, just a front fork

[mike02130]

Are you talking silverware?  Is the oval punch question finished? 

[chuck123wapati]

8 hours ago, Spyros said:

There's no set of forks, just a front fork

ok whatever here they are called a set.

[mike02130]

One might get away calling it a fork stripped bare of any hardware like bearings, cups and fasteners.  Once you add an item to it they are a set of forks.  Just as a chess piece is not a chess set with missing pieces.  Hmm, maybe elsewhere they call a pair of pants-- just pant?

[Spyros]

I don't know.  Do you eat your steak with a set of forks?

I ordered a fork, gave me a fork, billed me a fork

Edited August 18, 2020 by Spyros