Best skiving practices?

[Hardrada]

Any helpful tips on how to achieve as consisting a skive as possible? I've used both a skife and a French beveler, but the thickness is all over the place and the French thing pulls the leather and deforms it like a piece of rubber.

I've yet to buy a half-moon knife, but I was thinking of buying one of these in the meanwhile: C.S. Osborne leather knife or one of these instead. Would those make the process less messy and inconsistent?

[battlemunky]

Skiving requires ridiculously sharp blades. Also, if you are skiving veg tan, it may help to slightly dampen the leather. It takes practice. Use your scraps until you can get some consistency. I'd say aside from painting and carving, it is the most artsy skill we have to develop. A head knife (half moon knife) will require a descent amount of practice in order to skive well too, so know that if you pick one up that it isn't your silver bullet for all your skiving needs.

Strop your skife blade and I bet you'll see a difference. I don't get a lot out of my French beveler except maybe around a snap hole that is a bit too thick or something. I also have one of those Japanese knives that I have done some skiving with but it like the head knife requires a good amount of skill to wield. I happen to think the skife is a bit easier and less risky.

Good luck and post pics. Pics always help.

[zuludog]

For skiving you should work on a hard glossy surface such as a polished stone slab (which can be a bit expensive) or a sheet of glass like a glass shelf from an old fridge. I use the glass oven door from an old cooker

Skiving knives need to have an edge that is absolutely as sharp and as polished as possible. There is a section about sharpening on this forum, and loads of  YT videos about sharpening stones, making & using strops, and how to sharpen

Unless you get the very expensive top range knives, most makers only give you an averagely sharpened knife as that keeps the cost down, and you are expected to do the final work yourself

Either of the knives you mention will do the job. I would choose the Japanese style as that is easier to sharpen and you can also use it for cutting.

You could also consider an English style leather paring knife - Search Google & YT

Yes, veg tan is a bit easier if you dampen it slightly

Round, head, half round knives are OK but good ones are expensive, and you need practice & experience to use them

Search YT for skiving leather and any of the other things mentioned that look useful

[Matt S]

Lisa Sorrel is the queen of leather inlay/onlay and therefore hand skiving. Look her up, she has a vlog on Youtube and a beautifully illustrated book. I learned a lot about skiving from her youtube videos.

[Mattsbagger]

  On 8/25/2019 at 12:00 PM, Matt S said:

Lisa Sorrel is the queen of leather inlay/onlay and therefore hand skiving. Look her up, she has a vlog on Youtube and a beautifully illustrated book. I learned a lot about skiving from her youtube videos.

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I believe she also sells a reasonably priced skiving knife.

[Aven]

  On 8/25/2019 at 12:32 PM, Mattsbagger said:

I believe she also sells a reasonably priced skiving knife.

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She does and I love mine.

As everyone is saying, sharpness is the key and that includes sharpening the French beveler.  I made a strop that will just fit inside to strop the top side and use my other one for the bottom of the beveler.

[Hardrada]

Thanks for all the replies, mates.

Are these the Sorrel skiving knives: Skiving knives ? There's another kind on her site too: flexible skiving knives.

I'll try uploading pictures of my current messes shortly.

[Hardrada]

Alright, took some photos of the problem:

 

This is how the leather gets all bent out of shape:

 

Very inconsistent thickness:

 

I thought of thinning this wallet, as I was using four layers of 3 oz. leather and the thickness was making punching stitching holes a chore (they'd come misaligned on the bottom). I also thought that maybe the wallet would look nicer with thinner edges—now I'm not so sure. The one on the left is a test I made with scrap leather—which was also a PITA to skive and got all bent out of shape (I had to trim it again using the patters after skiving: it was that bad).

[Aven]

It doesn't matter what skiver you use, there is a bit of a learning curve.

The knives I was talking about are the first ones you linked.  I have both sizes, but find myself grabbing the smaller one more often than not.  That's not to say that the larger one should be avoided, not that at all.  I don't have large hands and I have arthritis in my hands, so for me the smaller one is just more comfortable to hold.

Check out Lisa Sorrell's Youtube video on skiving.  It really is worth watching.

[battlemunky]

Yeah, skiving is probably my least favorite thing to do in the craft. Its not easy and you could wreck what you are working on. Skiving is always so stressful.

[Aven]

  On 8/25/2019 at 10:53 PM, battlemunky said:

Yeah, skiving is probably my least favorite thing to do in the craft. Its not easy and you could wreck what you are working on. Skiving is always so stressful.

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Yup.  Totally.  If I haven't done any skiving in a while and I need to do some, I'll grab some scrap of what I'm working with or the closest thing I have in the scrap box and take time to sharpen my knife and practice skiving for 10 ~ 20 mins., whatever it takes for me to feel comfortable.

[MarkCdub]

The little skiving I have done has been with the tandy skiver with replaceable blades.  I had a hell of a time until I implemented lightly casing the leather before skiving.  It really allows the blade to do its job with less friction and gives you more control.  Just don't get it to wet or you open up a whole different set of problems.  Grab some scraps and give it a shot.  Also as others have said, stropping your bladed, even new ones makes a world of difference.  Good luck!

[arashikage]

Here are a couple of Lisa's videos on skiving. 

 

 

 

[Hardrada]

Ah-ha! That's one thing I'm doing wrong: too open an angle. Thanks, Arashikage; I had watched the first video but not the second one.

[arashikage]

  On 8/27/2019 at 6:07 PM, Hardrada said:

Ah-ha! That's one thing I'm doing wrong: too open an angle. Thanks, Arashikage; I had watched the first video but not the second one.

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No problem. They helped me out so I figured I would pass them along.

[ehvhram]

Lots of great info the videos . Thanks for posting.

[PappyJoe]

Ok. I watched both videos. 

But my question is how much material do you remove?

[battlemunky]

depends on application. If you are working on inner panels for a card wallet, you can thin those down to next to nothing on the edges assuming you aren't making "T" pockets. It's basically for bulk elimination so you decide how much bulk needs to be eliminated in order to achieve whatever goal you are after.

[kiwican]

I avoided doing any real skiving for years. About a month ago I picked up my skivers again and practiced on using different angles of cut and depth to get what I wanted. As was stated. Super sharp blade is key. Then play with how deep or shallow you want to go. I'm pretty happy with my skiving now and actually build things that need it!

[Hardrada]

Found a couple more skiving resources:

https://youtu.be/GScGT44oPA0 (this is the knife I ended up getting, BTW).

https://youtu.be/0MRfEKqHt_g (I think this is a cool idea, but I've yet to try it).

Sorry, I dunno how to embed the videos; anybody knows?