Members JeannieH Posted February 11, 2020 Members Report Posted February 11, 2020 Hi. I just bought a Zoje cylinder arm binding machine. It was used and the company only had a 1” custom binder they could find for me. I need a 3/4” to sew leather binding on my leather bags. I didn’t go with a custom attachment from atl attachment because for their quote...I could buy a used synchronized binder..which I did. I’m hoping to order one from China when they are back to normal..but I’m the meantime, I thought I’d see if someone on here has one they could sell me. I need a right angle one I think.
Members Constabulary Posted February 12, 2020 Members Report Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Do not expect that all 3/4 binder can feed leather tape - a lot depends on the tape thickness and material it self. Most binder are meant for rather thin fabric tapes. Leather tape is critical and depending on the application often requires a custom binder. If the tape you want to use is causing too much drag the tape will either not feed or the stitches become shorter and / or the material you want to bind may stretch and the result looks odd. I guess you need a singe fold binder, right? If you need a double fold binder it would cause even more drag. So the quote from ATL (we do not know how much it was) may sound high compared with the $10 binders on Ebay but they for sure will work trouble free when you sent them samples of you leather tape. How much was the quote from ATL? Edited February 12, 2020 by Constabulary ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Constabulary Posted February 12, 2020 Members Report Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) If it was me (cheap Charlie sometimes and I like trial end error engineering ) I would try a binder like this for leather tape because I think it is not causing much drag due to the smaller body and shell. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Needle-Binders-for-shoes-for-thick-leather-and-rubber-Material/153055486111 But you of course have to modify things because it is not designed for your machine. This of course is just a very "cheap sample". Another idea - check with LW member UWE - he sells some right angle binders binders that seem to fit your machines and I think he is able to tell you if they are suitable for leather tape or not: https://uwe.store/products/khf2s-tape-folder?variant=7012296622123 EDIT: regarding UWE and leather tape binders - check this thread: Edited February 12, 2020 by Constabulary ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 20 hours ago, Constabulary said: Do not expect that all 3/4 binder can feed leather tape - a lot depends on the tape thickness and material it self. Most binder are meant for rather thin fabric tapes. Leather tape is critical and depending on the application often requires a custom binder. If the tape you want to use is causing too much drag the tape will either not feed or the stitches become shorter and / or the material you want to bind may stretch and the result looks odd. I guess you need a singe fold binder, right? If you need a double fold binder it would cause even more drag. So the quote from ATL (we do not know how much it was) may sound high compared with the $10 binders on Ebay but they for sure will work trouble free when you sent them samples of you leather tape. How much was the quote from ATL? The cheap binder I have allows the material to feed through pretty easily. Originally they said 434 but I did some willing and dealing and got them down to 335. I haven’t sent my material in again yet. I’m trying to find an alternative lol. Someone out there has to have a used custom binder lying around for me to snatch up lol.
Members Constabulary Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) Holy crap $434 / $335 is a lot of money. When you are using thin leather tape its all fine but at a certain tape thickens you may have too much drag so I guess you are making things like handbags, purses and so forth and you are using rather thin leather tape like 1mm thickens or less, right? Then cheap standard binder may work fine. The tape thickness really matters! When I set up my binder I had problems finding the right one for the tape width I wanted to use. Meanwhile the "cheap binder situation" became better but back then I had to modify my binders to suit my application. I do not have the output that would justify a $300 binder so I tinkered a little bit. I `m using cheap binders for flat bed machines and modified the bracket - works absolutely perfect. I meanwhile have several of the same type. This is the type I´m using. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SINGLE-FOLD-RAW-EDGE-PLAIN-RIGHT-ANGLE-BINDER-SET-S64-fits-JUKI-DDL-8700/122464240878 My Singer 108w20 usually would use a kind of "Pfaff 335 binder" but this is how it looks and I´m very pleased with it: Edited February 13, 2020 by Constabulary ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Constabulary Posted February 13, 2020 Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 If it helps you I can cut a strip of thin and soft leather (goat I guess) and run it through my binder... ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
RockyAussie Posted February 13, 2020 Report Posted February 13, 2020 It does work better if the leather has been split or run through a skiver as that tends to make it a little more slippery smooth and less friction going through. I have found that the leather can actually go through and stitch better than a lot of the tapes they make and can accept the inward curves better due to the leather being able to stretch more. JeannieH has a skiver If I remember so that should not be much of an issue. Wild Harry - Australian made leather goodsYouTube Channel Instagram
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Constabulary said: If it helps you I can cut a strip of thin and soft leather (goat I guess) and run it through my binder... That would help me for sure. Yes that is a lot of money! I could be leather instead right! The binder I have now looks like that. I used it on my regular cylinder arm but as I sewed the top of the tape would gradually move to the right and more tape was on the bottom. Here are some pics of the one I have. Now that I’m looking...looks like the problem could have been how the bracket my binder is on isn’t fitting right on my machine.
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, RockyAussie said: It does work better if the leather has been split or run through a skiver as that tends to make it a little more slippery smooth and less friction going through. I have found that the leather can actually go through and stitch better than a lot of the tapes they make and can accept the inward curves better due to the leather being able to stretch more. JeannieH has a skiver If I remember so that should not be much of an issue. Exactly. That’s why I’m confused as to why my custom one is getting quoted so high. I’m going to try to get mine to work again when my bracket set arrives(I’m missing the long bolts and piece to wind the tape through). Or I will try buying another affordable binder before going for the custom one.
Members JeannieH Posted February 13, 2020 Author Members Report Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Constabulary said: Holy crap $434 / $335 is a lot of money. When you are using thin leather tape its all fine but at a certain tape thickens you may have too much drag so I guess you are making things like handbags, purses and so forth and you are using rather thin leather tape like 1mm thickens or less, right? Then cheap standard binder may work fine. The tape thickness really matters! When I set up my binder I had problems finding the right one for the tape width I wanted to use. Meanwhile the "cheap binder situation" became better but back then I had to modify my binders to suit my application. I do not have the output that would justify a $300 binder so I tinkered a little bit. I `m using cheap binders for flat bed machines and modified the bracket - works absolutely perfect. I meanwhile have several of the same type. This is the type I´m using. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SINGLE-FOLD-RAW-EDGE-PLAIN-RIGHT-ANGLE-BINDER-SET-S64-fits-JUKI-DDL-8700/122464240878 My Singer 108w20 usually would use a kind of "Pfaff 335 binder" but this is how it looks and I´m very pleased with it: Could you send a pic of how you modified the bracket? I need to buy the one you sent me a link to and see if it works. If I can get it on right I don’t see why it wouldn’t. My tape is skived chrome tanned and I will also use thin vachetta soon.
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