Need advice (Glue fume extractor)

[Danne]

So I plan my workspace in a rather small apartment (45m2) "Sleeping area" living room and kitchen are in the "same room" not really sure about the English word (open plan?) In the left corner behind my sofa under leather storage is where my bed is placed.

I have two ideas (See Sketchup drawings) I prefer to use water based glues as long as it's possible, but for some types of watch straps I need to use nylon reinforcement and for a good adhesion I also need to use solvent based glue for this. Of course I use a respirator mask, but I would like a fume extractor. I have seen both regular ones with a hose (Which I can put outside my window when I use it) and also reciculatory filtration systems without an exhaust hose for around 400euro. But I would like some good ideas for a nice solution here. To the left of the cabinet I will have a bell knife skiving machine. In the drawing with only one drawer cabinet to the right I could have a small "glue booth" but since my space is limited it would be nice to not use up to much desk space. 

I have found this (English manual)  https://www.elfa.se/Web/Downloads/_m/an/BVX-101_mul_man.pdf

And it says "For light duty organic solvent and adhesive applications, a deep bed, activated carbon filter is recommended." And also I can mount it under my desk and save desk space. 

Ideas, solutions, links to products that would fit my working area are appreciated (It's important that it looks nice) And I don't want to pay laboratory equipment prices. 

Thanks in advance. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Danne

[fredk]

Try searching for 'airbrush spray booth' for plastic modellers. They are small, sometimes portable. One of these would do your job

example; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hobby-Airbrush-Spray-Booth-Kit-Craft-Spray-Booth-Extractor-Filter-100-240V/193475341465?hash=item2d0c076c99:g:DN0AAOSwARpdOBpc

[Spyros]

Honest question: is a tiny amount of glue on a watch strap really that dangerous?  I don't know the answer.  But I'd look for some expert advice on this first before I made any decisions.

The problem I have with devices that move air efficiently is that the ones that actually do their job well are not small, or cheap, or quiet.    Wall or window mounted vents are an elegant & cheap solution with basically no footprint, the problem is that along with the air that they extract they also extract any warmth you would have built up in your room.  Which I would think is a problem in the winter in Sweden.

Anyway sorry I don't have a solution but if there is a practical one I'd also like to know.  I'm just suspicious of small cheap devices that make big claims when it comes to moving and filtering air, from experience with woodworking dust I know that they simply don't work.  But dust is dust and fumes are fumes, maybe it's a whole different story.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Spyros

[fredk]

27 minutes ago, Spyros said:

Honest question: is a tiny amount of glue on a watch strap really that dangerous?  I don't know the answer.  But I'd look for some expert advice on this first before I made any decisions.

Most definitely YES, it can be to some people

[Spyros]

39 minutes ago, fredk said:

Most definitely YES, it can be to some people

Ι'm in trouble then LOL

I've definitely breathed way more than that in the past.   I'm much more careful these days, but yeah

[Frodo]

 

my advice to the op is to google odorless contact cement and use that. 

 

[billybopp]

If gluing isn't something you do all that often - Just open a window and put an exhaust fan there!  

- Bill

[Danne]

3 hours ago, fredk said:

Try searching for 'airbrush spray booth' for plastic modellers. They are small, sometimes portable. One of these would do your job

example; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hobby-Airbrush-Spray-Booth-Kit-Craft-Spray-Booth-Extractor-Filter-100-240V/193475341465?hash=item2d0c076c99:g:DN0AAOSwARpdOBpc

I don't really like that one, something no branded and no information about the filters, and the air blowing back directly in your face. 

[Danne]

3 hours ago, Spyros said:

Honest question: is a tiny amount of glue on a watch strap really that dangerous?  I don't know the answer.  But I'd look for some expert advice on this first before I made any decisions.

The problem I have with devices that move air efficiently is that the ones that actually do their job well are not small, or cheap, or quiet.    Wall or window mounted vents are an elegant & cheap solution with basically no footprint, the problem is that along with the air that they extract they also extract any warmth you would have built up in your room.  Which I would think is a problem in the winter in Sweden.

Anyway sorry I don't have a solution but if there is a practical one I'd also like to know.  I'm just suspicious of small cheap devices that make big claims when it comes to moving and filtering air, from experience with woodworking dust I know that they simply don't work.  But dust is dust and fumes are fumes, maybe it's a whole different story.

No, not really when wearing a respirator mask while you have your glue bottle opened and remove it when you close the bottle, a lot of the solvents are at the floor (because they are heavier than air) And as you say it's in the winter time it becomes a problem. Now I can open my window fully. But it the winter I can't and it will smell quite strong in my whole apartment. And it's not healthy, but also I don't like the strong smell. 

Yes, but this product isn't super cheap 7-800€ with bench mount. But a real exhaust fan mounted through a hole in the wall would be a lot easier and no need for filter changes and such, but I can't drill a large hole in this apartment, I don't think my landlord would like that  

Edit: You wrote "before I make any decisions" You have to first ask yourself, do you need a solvent based glue? 

Have you tried water based contact cements? I use Renia Aquilim 315 and it's super strong for leather, and some other materials too. Also Ecostick 1816b seems really popular. I have no experience with waxy/oily leathers, and I can see how a product without stitched edges in waxy/oily leather would benefit from a solvent based glue. But for regular leather I would never used solvent based glue. Send me a dm and I show you a couple of examples of products i've made with water based contact cement (without stitched top edges) and that have been used for years and i'm not worried about the glued edge.

2 hours ago, Frodo said:

 

my advice to the op is to google odorless contact cement and use that. 

 

I have tried a decent amounts of solvent based contact cements for this type of reinforcement, those that work well have a strong odor.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Danne

[Frodo]

ok...Then here is your ''fix''

measure your window, buy a piece of plywood that is that size.  Home depot will cut it for you

Have them cut a 4'' round hole in the plywood

attach this to your widow.  When you want to glue, open the window, when you are done close the window

build a box, again they will cut it for you.  Buy a bathroom vent fan ''fart fan''

attach the fan to the box,  use 4''  flex duct from fan to the window