Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 How do you do a welted toe on a moccasin, instead of just the regular toe, where the stitching shows? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted February 4, 2021 look into some of the other moc patterns. Souix patterns are really nice! and dont have that bunched up look. I have a file but its to big to attach, i'll try to find a link or pattern for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) i cant find the link to the pdf book i have but if you google Sioux moccasin pattern you will get what you need. it has hidden stitching all around. Its amazing the different styles and patterns Indians used some are so easy and end up really nice. The apache for example had a toe piece sewn in that was made out of rawhide to protect against the cactus. Mocassins Design.pdf | Shoe | Cheyenne (scribd.com) Edited February 4, 2021 by chuck123wapati Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Thanks a bunch, Chuck! Edit: ugh, need to become a member to read beyond the first few pages... Edited February 4, 2021 by Sheilajeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted February 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: Thanks a bunch, Chuck! Edit: ugh, need to become a member to read beyond the first few pages... you can find other places i downloaded it as a free ebook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 Maybe I should check all my Tandy downloads...there's probably something there that will help! DUH! If not, I'll see if I can download your link for free... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted February 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Sheilajeanne said: Maybe I should check all my Tandy downloads...there's probably something there that will help! DUH! If not, I'll see if I can download your link for free... https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/paleoplanet69529/moccasins-101-how-to-make-one-piece-moccasins-t14813.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Not quite what I'm looking for, but I did find a video, which unfortunately, cut out just as it was getting interesting. You cut a half inch strip of leather, and all the sewing is done in that strip, so nothing shows on the outside. https://www.heartberry.com/blogs/news/makizinikewin-moccasin-making I've subscribed to her channel, and hopefully will be able to see all of the steps for sewing the moccasin together. Edited February 4, 2021 by Sheilajeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Oh yea, here's where she gets into sewing the welt. Someone needs to tell her a welp is what you find in the whelping box, when you're dog has had puppies... Sorry, I'm a dog person, so had to say that! Edited February 4, 2021 by Sheilajeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 She has also done a beautiful book, which I am REALLY tempted to buy! https://www.heartberry.com/products/nookomis-obagijigan-grandmothers-gift-moccasin-pattern-book Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahere Report post Posted February 4, 2021 They're essentially variations on turnshoe methods, with welting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Yup! Am very keen to get going on this now that I know how! The videos this lady uses for teaching are EXCELLENT! I watched another video for sewing the welting into the toe, and it wasn't nearly as well-thought out when it came to doing the puckers! Edited February 4, 2021 by Sheilajeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted February 5, 2021 looks like more of a mukluk type moc very cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 5, 2021 I'm planning to eliminate the split in the toe, chuck. The sewing of the welting will still be just the same, I think - starting from the middle of the toe. Having the stitching and puckers hidden gives the moc a more pleasing look to my eye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeRock Report post Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Chuck, Speaking of mukluks, have you seen the wonderful book: Our Boots : An Inuit Women's Art: Oakes, Jill; Riewe, Rick That book really got me going. Had some pre-whenever seal skin from Norway and it worked fine. Wish I still had them. God bless Edited February 6, 2021 by Northmount Fixed photo hiding text Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeRock Report post Posted February 6, 2021 Well, that didn't work out so well, and I can't get to the edit tab.....That book is WELL worth the money, new or used. I put many miles on mine, working or snowshoeing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck123wapati Report post Posted February 6, 2021 cant wait to see!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aven Report post Posted February 6, 2021 "Stepping Through Time" is a really good book to have if you are interested in making non-modern shoes. It's medieval, but it covers a range of construction methods, including turn shoes. The only place I could find a copy was at Abe Books. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tsunkasapa Report post Posted February 6, 2021 Here are some links to craft articles on Crazy Crow. They are good people. How To Make Moccasins – Crazy Crow Trading Post How to Make Blackfoot Moccasins – Crazy Crow Trading Post Crazy Crow Trading Post New Website and Online Store – Crazy Crow Trading Post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 6, 2021 Thanks, tsunkasapa. Some of those links are dead, unfortunately, but there's also some very good information. The information on quills will be especially useful, as that's something I very much want to try. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Northmount Report post Posted February 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Sheilajeanne said: Some of those links are dead All three links to Crazy Crow work for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheilajeanne Report post Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Yes, but a number of the links Crazy Crow gives to the useful information are dead. For instance, all the links to 'Helpful Mocassin Related Links'' given on this page https://www.crazycrow.com/site/craft-focus-moccasins/ are dead. Edited February 7, 2021 by Sheilajeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
