Binding Attachment issues...

[MtlBiker]

13 hours ago, Wizcrafts said:

Contact Techsew in Montreal and ask about getting a custom attachment made. Otherwise, get in touch with General Industrial Sewing Machines in Toronto. They can either make one or put you in touch with a guru.

Thanks Wizcrafts!

Do you know of Chris at Japan Sewing in Toronto?  I was talking to him yesterday and he's sending me two binding attachments (3/4" and 1") that are more than double in mouth size than what I have.  I'd sent him photos of what I'm trying to bind, my current binder attachment as well as the presser foot I'm using, plus measurements.  He's also sending me a presser foot specifically for use when binding.

I should have it all today.  And I can try it out tonight when I get home.

[MtlBiker]

5 hours ago, Constabulary said:

Your binding does not look like a huge problem. You should not have have serious issues with "ecconoomic" binders but there are too many out there to make a basic statement. Anyway - all my binders are cheap, one is custom made but I bought is used along with 132K parts a while ago and I´m barely using it. All binders are working w/o problem. When I stared my "binding experience" I bought the cheapest I could find cause It was just for trying out and to gain some experience. I really did not expect that they work so well. Of course you need to set them up properly. The 3 numbers I mentioned a above are essential the rest is proper mounting (basically). The first 3 sets I bought were these flat bed binder / needle plate / feed dog / presser foot sets for approx 10€ - 15€ or so and I just modified the bracket. And I´m really happy with them. I meanwhile have 7 binders. The one I use the most is an el cheapo and I run fairly thick 3/4" wide cotton mil spec edge tape through it.

This is what I´m using (my first 3 binders) but I paid less back then on Ebay Germany. You may note the distinguish wire bracket on the mouth. But as I said I modified the bracket and the rest went to scrap metal box.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sewing-Machine-Right-Angle-Raw-Edge-Top-Bottom-Binder-Set/162106978932

 

I've ordered a couple of binding attachments which are supposedly almost double the mouth size than the ones I have.  They should be here today.

Can you explain the "coil" on the attachments you're using?  Is that specifically for cylinder bed machines or flat bed also?  The two I currently have don't have that.  My binding is on a large spool and when I stick the spool on a flat support with a dowel in the middle, the spool spins really smoothly.  I don't think there's a problem with friction in this setup.  It's almost as if the spool was on ball bearings.

I don't know what the new binders will look like (if they're different I'll post a photo later), but here is what my current ones look like:

 

Edited February 23, 2021 by MtlBiker

[Constabulary]

The coils are just tape guides.

2 hours ago, kgg said:

I just have a hard time paying the extra for a custom binder for my needs. Break / Fail replace for $20 Cad.

agree - the "off the shelf" binders usually work very well and if one fails try another but so far they are all good!

An interesting setup you have there!

BTW - College Sewing in the UK offers a hard copy catalogue and there are plenty of folding / hemming attachments in it - great overview. Just for the case someone places an order there ask for a hard copy of their catalogue. Its not their full program in it but really a lot - great info source.

But they also have a PDF:

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/pub/media/brochures/CSMP-Catalogue-2018.pdf

Edited February 23, 2021 by Constabulary

[MtlBiker]

@Constabulary @kgg

I just received the new binders and they may be the wrong ones, unless I'm totally misunderstanding how these work.

Are these what are called "right-angle" binders?  Is the binding meant to feed in from the right (at 90 degrees to the stitch direction) and then turn sharply 90 degrees to meet the fabric that's being bound?  If not, it looks to me that the item being bound has to be on the right of the needle (stitch line) and the binding comes in from the left.  That couldn't be, could it?  Sorry to expose my ignorance about this.  My only experience so far with binding attachments is the one I showed earlier.

If these are indeed right-angle binders, I don't know how I'll attach them to my machine.  And they're certainly not swing-away.  ($65 Cdn each.)  I'll have to see how (and if) they fit when I get home tonight.

[Wizcrafts]

4 hours ago, MtlBiker said:

Do you know of Chris at Japan Sewing in Toronto?

No, I don't know that company. My last sewing experience in Toronto was about 25 years ago.

[kgg]

1 hour ago, Constabulary said:

An interesting setup you have there!

Thanks Constabulary, all my own designs and the best part they work. I just could not/ would not pay the $200 for a 90 degree binder setup and having to buy new binders in the various sizes I use. All the attachments I have for the flatbeds are now inter-changeable with the cylinder bed so it was cost effective way around the problem.

 

11 minutes ago, MtlBiker said:

Are these what are called "right-angle" binders?  Is the binding meant to feed in from the right (at 90 degrees to the stitch direction) and then turn sharply 90 degrees to meet the fabric that's being bound?  If not, it looks to me that the item being bound has to be on the right of the needle (stitch line) and the binding comes in from the left.  That couldn't be, could it?  Sorry to expose my ignorance about this. 

Yes it is a right angle binder and the tape gets feed / weaved along the metal wire loops into the binder body with the tape exiting the other side and making the sharp 90 degree turn at the other end where the fabric is feed between the loop that is created. What was the approximate cost of the binder from Chris?

kgg

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

Tenn. Attach. sells a 460B with 1/4" mouth opening.  Nothing generic is going to work for this application that I can think of.

[MtlBiker]

18 minutes ago, kgg said:

Yes it is a right angle binder and the tape gets feed / weaved along the metal wire loops into the binder body with the tape exiting the other side and making the sharp 90 degree turn at the other end where the fabric is feed between the loop that is created. What was the approximate cost of the binder from Chris?

kgg

I hope it'll fit on my 206RB.  I'll know in a few hours when I get home tonight.  The cost was $65 Cdn each, plus shipping.  I also got a set of presser feet for binding, for $40.

[Wizcrafts]

3 hours ago, MtlBiker said:

I hope it'll fit on my 206RB.  I'll know in a few hours when I get home tonight.  The cost was $65 Cdn each, plus shipping.  I also got a set of presser feet for binding, for $40.

FYI, back around 1990 I was hired to sew reflective safety vests for a one man company in Toronto. I was tasked with obtaining all of the equipment and supplies. This included getting a custom right angle binder attachment made for his brand new Juki LU-563. That attachment cost him $428 in 1990. Everything was purchased through General Industrial Sewing Machines.

[MtlBiker]

Could this be right?  I was expecting a swing-away binder (as per my email to the supplier) with a bigger mouth, but this isn't swing away, and I really can't see how it fits properly on ny Consew 206RB-5 (also specified in my email).  This is as close as I can get it to the needle and stitch path.  I can't believe this is the way it's supposed to fit.

My guess (inexperienced me) is that it should fit much closer to the needle and stitch path as the second photo below (where the binder attachment isn't attached to anything at all).