ButtonLady Posted March 24, 2022 Author Report Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) On 4/27/2021 at 3:11 AM, Klara said: I think that I just possibly might leave well-set rivets uncovered on the inside, meaning I'd use them on an unpadded collar. Maybe. If the set is clean and smooth, and there's nothing exposed that would cause irritation... sure! Rivet caps have a nice finish. On 4/27/2021 at 6:48 AM, Alexis1234 said: I use prong spots on collars I've made with a liner because I think it looks nicer. However, on horse harness they will put spots on parts that aren't lined. The prongs are just bent over and flattened really well. I have learned (since starting this thread a year ago...) that 2-prong spots tend to have stronger and longer prongs (claws?) than 4-prong spots. They are the only type that will penetrate collar-thick leather. I have also (since then) tried setting metal and rhinestone spots: You are spot (ha! ) on. I am by no means an expert, but at least I understand now what you're describing. Machine setting forces prong points into the leather due to the shape of the die. Hand setting creates prongs that "are just bent over and flattened really well" ...at least for 2-prongs. 4-prong spots are thinner and don't flatten as well when set by hand (in my oh-so-humble opinion) —they're designed more for fabric and thinner materials, and to be set with a die. On 4/27/2021 at 3:11 AM, Klara said: As for the templates: I make my own. You are far more talented than I can ever hope to be... Chris Mantz has some nice templates for spots and rhinestones. Here's the website I couldn't remember before: https://www.tacktemplates.com/online-store/Spot-Setting-Template-p81157850 Edited March 24, 2022 by ButtonLady Made images smaller. Quote Sewing Machines: Juki DNU-1541 and waaay too many home machines and sergers... Button Machines: Osborne, Wade, Defiance, Maxant, Handy Jr. #1 and #20, Fasnap PM5 (and too many dies to count)
Members fivewayswelshcobs Posted March 25, 2022 Members Report Posted March 25, 2022 On 4/27/2021 at 11:48 AM, Alexis1234 said: I use prong spots on collars I've made with a liner because I think it looks nicer. However, on horse harness they will put spots on parts that aren't lined. The prongs are just bent over and flattened really well. I would never put metal prongs against any animal so all my harness and collars etc is lined as is most of what I've seen . The only evidence of no lining is some which has been botched by an amateur or foreign made. Quote
ButtonLady Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Posted March 25, 2022 4 hours ago, fivewayswelshcobs said: I would never put metal prongs against any animal so all my harness and collars etc is lined as is most of what I've seen . The only evidence of no lining is some which has been botched by an amateur or foreign made. Thank you for weighing in! This is a fascinating subject —it's the reason I joined the forum. Here's a dog collar from Karma Collars: https://karmacollars.com/collections/designer-bling-custom-handmade-leather-dog-collars/products/zion Prongs are exposed but points are buried in the leather... only possible with a die. Machine-set, I assume —is there such a thing as a hand-set die that does this? For those just learning (like me), here's an example of a machine die: https://allstarco.com/en/setting-tools/6831-die-for-preset-rhinestones-bedazzler.html#/206-size-5mm The raised center of the left (bottom) die pushes the prongs upward into the material. I tried a machine die from a Chinese manufacturer (Dot-Gas), and all it did was flatten the prongs. Really disappointing (sizing was off, too... different story). So... on to horse tack. I revisited the Biothane tack link from last year: https://www.twohorsetack.com/p-29-bling-beta-biothane-western-bridle-with-full-browband.aspx Rhinestone spots on the reins are exposed/points buried, but presumably the rest is lined —because there is visible stitching? Is it possible to set spots in the top layer and then stitch THAT CLOSE to them? Same thing with leather, too. This example was clearly set after sewing because spots are covering the stitching... but presumably it's lined (?): https://www.dreamtimecreations.com/page/bling-for-equestrian/ There's a LOT I don't know about this. Quote Sewing Machines: Juki DNU-1541 and waaay too many home machines and sergers... Button Machines: Osborne, Wade, Defiance, Maxant, Handy Jr. #1 and #20, Fasnap PM5 (and too many dies to count)
Members suzelle Posted March 25, 2022 Members Report Posted March 25, 2022 I love all the bling things! Keep posting, you have my attention. I want to do some of this kind of work. Thank you for sharing. I have a few tools, but will be gathering more! Quote
ButtonLady Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Posted March 25, 2022 3 hours ago, suzelle said: I love all the bling things! I know... right? So... shiny... It is a journey of discovery —glad to have you along. Quote Sewing Machines: Juki DNU-1541 and waaay too many home machines and sergers... Button Machines: Osborne, Wade, Defiance, Maxant, Handy Jr. #1 and #20, Fasnap PM5 (and too many dies to count)
ButtonLady Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Posted March 25, 2022 3 hours ago, ButtonLady said: This example was clearly set after sewing because spots are covering the stitching... but presumably it's lined (?): https://www.dreamtimecreations.com/page/bling-for-equestrian/ Missed the edit window: It's possible these "spots" are actually rivets added after stitching. Maybe even Chicago screws —can they be called "conchos" if they're that small? Either way, I think the biggest issue would be punching a neat, well-placed pilot hole. Quote Sewing Machines: Juki DNU-1541 and waaay too many home machines and sergers... Button Machines: Osborne, Wade, Defiance, Maxant, Handy Jr. #1 and #20, Fasnap PM5 (and too many dies to count)
Contributing Member fredk Posted March 25, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted March 25, 2022 You can get domed head ready-rivets. I use them when I want the rivet to be more decorative https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181337022618?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D237808%26meid%3D25be4fdc25b342a9a51054d8f8cc16d9%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D173950563887%26itm%3D181337022618%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWebMskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeed&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A18133702261825be4fdc25b342a9a51054d8f8cc16d9|enc%3AAQAGAAACEKyApwK%2FefsMJoQXTtwyzIPiLlyq8g8hwMr2qnuOcpGnokIWj1HbCI2Idd68n9p22JtdKPWIQg79oDp6mEui0M0pp3IFv3o8kp5RfVxnsUfyjOcu7IGfaqx5rZn7GpVXFWsLl8BMoTXYS8najzmMyazeMZTSCxqr9r6wfyRFHNhtjeEG5Jgc%2Bi2Yrc24kos5DdCWeybheiJDTwwmz0gfF9nqkv%2FY%2FF4mketFVw1yNPskQ7DMTFyBatbZnLNYF80NN7LOVrYQ4yZfMVO7mJ3c79P7hsEmw8iEuQ51DjDzpnmwRrvN7m7v6Wp3%2FU8StECi%2BgkWkvrPiyx%2BX4LVvm4pAngsFDuYgmiDFZBu7oGjau3H0ZvUS517Gs0%2FdBfBRG%2FizRu%2FVhf2HU2fp9Bc0VDUUR81wVrm6uJoJdTUpvLcn46D08BHg70Ezbdtjzrx%2F5CahOjfx2t9%2F7S3faSrkmQcwGfK9IwVwG6NSXMSlzY3JJ7hDduA6ZXtLxIOHRl%2BgnK0636QMylEeiml9Nic5hKsGrFlK0cX5TlUYMiIyNy%2BNON0lSy%2F0rR0cMlLm58hi5S0HsSSTHBtdxSkzxzH947VmX%2BAj3ErPEvJxgyvryjNYw%2B7yc4d0Uq1oDRScs4nHeb874I%2FtdPZMgVjOY8CMj%2Bj41j6iaS6Wpb%2BPMMrPMthE1QhxYf8WVl1rHOLopUWn68lsA%3D%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675 Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
ButtonLady Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, fredk said: You can get domed head ready-rivets. I use them when I want the rivet to be more decorative Oooh... pretty! Any problems with not crushing the domed end? Quote Sewing Machines: Juki DNU-1541 and waaay too many home machines and sergers... Button Machines: Osborne, Wade, Defiance, Maxant, Handy Jr. #1 and #20, Fasnap PM5 (and too many dies to count)
Contributing Member fredk Posted March 25, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, ButtonLady said: Oooh... pretty! Any problems with not crushing the domed end? No problems. One uses a rod/bar setter with a dome shape in the end. I use a bar one size larger than the rivet, eg for a 6mm rivet head I use a 7mm setter Quote Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Members suzelle Posted March 26, 2022 Members Report Posted March 26, 2022 Thank you Fred! I'll be getting some of these! 17 hours ago, fredk said: No problems. One uses a rod/bar setter with a dome shape in the end. I use a bar one size larger than the rivet, eg for a 6mm rivet head I use a 7mm setter Quote
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