5-15 mm leather thickness

[Rickard]

Hello, are there eny machines that can handle from 5 mm up to 15 mm leather? Or do i need two different machines. I live in Norway so i think i need to import from UK or Poland. Im locking for a one needle walking foot flatbed or cylinderarm machine. Used or new. 

[kgg]

19 minutes ago, Rickard said:

Hello, are there eny machines that can handle from 5 mm up to 15 mm leather?

Yes something in the 441 class maybe similar to the Cowboy CB 3500 but... If you are doing 15mm regularly you will have to dumb the machine down to do the thin stuff. This is going to be frustrating and time consuming. You would be better off with two machines, one setup for the thinner and one setup for the thicker.

kgg

[Wizcrafts]

6 hours ago, kgg said:

Yes something in the 441 class maybe similar to the Cowboy CB 3500 but... If you are doing 15mm regularly you will have to dumb the machine down to do the thin stuff.

I wrote the blog article about dumbing down a Cowboy, Cobra, or similar harness stitcher on my R&W Custom Leatherworks website. It explains what is involved in getting a heavy duty leather stitcher to sew thinner work than what it was built to handle. It takes no more than 20 minutes to learn this and make the changes as needed. Afterward, the changes are reversed when one needs to sew thick leather.

[Handstitched]

G'Day , 

Heres an example of what the 441 clones can do. I just wanted to know if it could do what the ad in  the magazine said it could do, and sure as eggs, it did . However, I  did go slowly .I have never had a job that required that thickness, but its nice to know  I got what I paid for   There was a ' chunk' of leather of that thickness under the foot when I unpacked  the machine.   

The leather is  x5 layers of 4mm  veg tan, the thread is 277 M10 , needle 180/24.

Heavy duty  tool belts & dog collars etc.  about 5mm in thickness are some of the items I sew  . The thickest I've sewn on my machine  is around 10mm. 

As for the thinner stuff, I have a Seiko STW ,mostly used  for horse rug repairs,   but will quite easily go through 2-3mm leather . Having more than one machine does help. 

HS

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Handstitched

[RockyAussie]

Better yet.... with a narrow foot and needle plate combo we now make you can get down to this thickness shown here with 138 thread on single layer upholstery leather. Also means you can get the guide right up to the centre foot and it stitches fine at less than 3mm from the edge.  Also made for the CB3200 and CB3500 CB4500.

$120 AUD +freight if you want a set.

Edited August 23, 2021 by RockyAussie
another picture

[Wizcrafts]

5 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

Better yet.... with a narrow foot and needle plate combo we now make you can get down to this thickness shown here with 138 thread on single layer upholstery leather. Also means you can get the guide right up to the centre foot and it stitches fine at less than 3mm from the edge.  Also made for the CB3200 and CB3500 CB4500.

Tell me more about the width and hole size of the narrow feed dog and needle plate. I have a cb4500.

[Rickard]

23 hours ago, kgg said:

Yes something in the 441 class maybe similar to the Cowboy CB 3500 but... If you are doing 15mm regularly you will have to dumb the machine down to do the thin stuff. This is going to be frustrating and time consuming. You would be better off with two machines, one setup for the thinner and one setup for the thicker.

kgg

Thanks for your answere. I have been locking on the Cowboy brand, but i think maybe it can be a problem if i need a repear on a machine like that where i live. I have found this shop in UK https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/castlesewingltd?_pgn=2 and they have several different Juki machines like Juki LS 1341 , Juki 245 and Juki 441. Enyone having experience with Castle sewing in UK England?  
will a Juki Ls 1341 or Juki 245 be good for leatherthickness 5-10 mm ?

i think i read here some place thar Juki 441 are mostly set for fabrick/heavy canvas and not for sewing leather?

[Rickard]

17 hours ago, Wizcrafts said:

I wrote the blog article about dumbing down a Cowboy, Cobra, or similar harness stitcher on my R&W Custom Leatherworks website. It explains what is involved in getting a heavy duty leather stitcher to sew thinner work than what it was built to handle. It takes no more than 20 minutes to learn this and make the changes as needed. Afterward, the changes are reversed when one needs to sew thick leather.

Thanks alot for this info , im sure gonna have a look into it. I think i probbably start with a machine who can sew ca 4-10 mm range and move on later with a havier machine.

[RockyAussie]

9 hours ago, Wizcrafts said:

Tell me more about the width and hole size of the narrow feed dog and needle plate. I have a cb4500.

I figure to answer that best I would do a few pics to explain better the overall advantages.

This picture shows that the whole plate is different to the original in order to improve the distance from the outer edge for gussets and such and reducing the curve at the same time.

This is the original needle plate and feed dog (near to 9mm)

This is our new version

Here as you see I now have no problem getting just 10th of an inch from the edge

Over the next 2 weeks I will do up a video to post showing how I can go from upholstery leather up to 3/4" veg with very little adjustments . A little top tension and maybe foot pressure.

PM me your address details caus I reckon you should have a set Wiz.

[RockyAussie]

27 minutes ago, Rickard said:

Thanks for your answere. I have been locking on the Cowboy brand, but i think maybe it can be a problem if i need a repear on a machine like that where i live. I have found this shop in UK https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/castlesewingltd?_pgn=2 and they have several different Juki machines like Juki LS 1341 , Juki 245 and Juki 441. Enyone having experience with Castle sewing in UK England?  
will a Juki Ls 1341 or Juki 245 be good for leatherthickness 5-10 mm ?

i think i read here some place thar Juki 441 are mostly set for fabrick/heavy canvas and not for sewing leather?

Juki is a great brand and many other brands clone them as best they can. The Cowboy 4500 and many others are clones of this machine. The Cowboy CB 6900 (1341 in the USA I think is a clone of ......the Juki LS 1341 and will handle work up to 10mm very well. This is a video I did on one a couple of weeks back. There are several other ones showing some light stitching as well if you check my you tube channel.