Singer 45k presser feet fit Juki TSC 441 series?

[Cumberland Highpower]

I am curious if the Singer 45K feet will fit on the presser bar of the Juki TSN 411/ 441 series machine?   Just curious of they match/bolt up.  Since the Juki 441 was the Nakajima before, and likely based on Singer patents I'm inclined to guess they will fit up?   Mainly shopping for specialized presser feet to convert a Juki TSC 441 to TSN 421U specs and curious if Singer 45k/Adler 105 feet will bolt up as well.

Edited September 2, 2021 by Cumberland Highpower

[Constabulary]

I always wanted to ask that question but for using 441 feet (that I will modify) on a Singer 45K

[CowboyBob]

The 45K never had a walking foot needle feed like the Juki so they will not interchange.The back or outside foot has to be wider for the inside to fit into.

Edited September 2, 2021 by CowboyBob

[Cumberland Highpower]

Maybe someone knows Constabulary?

Sounds like we're in a similar overall boat

 

Here is a presser foot for the  Juki TSN 411 (also for the TSC 441) that could work on your singer 45k "If" we can find out if the presser bar is the same size.  These feet are on Ebay $40.

  

Maybe someone has a Juki and a Singer 45k/Adler 105/205 side by side?

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Cumberland Highpower

[Uwe]

On 9/1/2021 at 8:56 PM, Cumberland Highpower said:

Since the Juki 441 was the Nakajima before, and likely based on Singer patents

Are you saying that the Juki TSC-441 is a re-branded Nakajima design? Do you have any sources for this claim? 

[Constabulary]

8 hours ago, CowboyBob said:

The 45K never had a walking foot needle feed like the Juki so they will not interchange.The back or outside foot has to be wider for the inside to fit into.

I´m aware of that! Anyway - question is do the outer 441 / 411 feet fit on the 45K foot bar? They do not have to work - it´s just a tinkering project.

[Cumberland Highpower]

Uwe would you prefer if I had said "Juki" 441 is based on Singer patents?   I am trying to find out if presser fit interchange, not really to debate the history of Juki/Nakajima. (I get bored easily).

I guess my proof is that I've been around long enough to remember both the Chrysler K car and Nakajima stitchers

Here is a photo of a Nakajima 421.  I only looked 3 mins on google, and came to this. Juki sells this as the TSC 421 nowdays like most of the Nakajima machines of old. 

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Edited September 3, 2021 by Cumberland Highpower

[Constabulary]

JUKI took over Nakajima in the 1960s afaik, or not? 

[Wizcrafts]

3 hours ago, Constabulary said:

JUKI took over Nakajima in the 1960s afaik, or not? 

The Juki TSC-441 didn't makes its arrival until the late 1980s. I remember being introduced to one around 1988, just before I got my first Union Lockstitch machine. It was in a carton that the Juki distributor opened for me. They only wanted $5995.00! I got the ULS for $1500.

[Constabulary]

JUKI website says they took over Nakajima in 1966 - scroll down here.

JUKI 80th Anniversary Website - History until JUKI becomes a global company

Maybe they still have used the brand name in the later years - dunu.

But thats off topic anyway

Edited September 3, 2021 by Constabulary