Members Mulesaw Posted January 18, 2022 Members Report Posted January 18, 2022 Like the title says, can anyone give some sort of explanation about the thread size used for sewing machines? I have tried searching the forum, but still haven't found an answer. I read about #504 and#207, #74 etc, and I have to admit that I don't understand any of it. Apparently someone uses a thinner thread for the bobbin than for the upper thread, but again without the knowledge I'm just using the same size in both which might not be the optimal solution. The thread that I buy doesn't even have those numbers put on them, so I just try to guess my way. So far I use the Serafil 10 on the old harness stitcher, and Serafil 40 for the patcher. But I would like to know if anyone has got a chart that would compare the European sizes with the # sizes. Or if someone can link to an old thread that will explain it :-) Quote
kgg Posted January 18, 2022 Report Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Mulesaw said: But I would like to know if anyone has got a chart that would compare the European sizes with the # sizes. I good chart can be found at (https://www.tolindsewmach.com/thread-chart.html) also you should normally use the same size thread on the top as you use in the bobbin. The strength of the seam will be limited to the strength of the smallest thread size. Sometimes this is done for the look that a larger top thread gives or sometimes you can fool a machine into using a larger top thread then the machine is rated for by using the smaller machine rated bobbin thread. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members Mulesaw Posted January 18, 2022 Author Members Report Posted January 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, kgg said: I good chart can be found at (https://www.tolindsewmach.com/thread-chart.html) also you should normally use the same size thread on the top as you use in the bobbin. The strength of the seam will be limited to the strength of the smallest thread size. Sometimes this is done for the look that a larger top thread gives or sometimes you can fool a machine into using a larger top thread then the machine is rated for by using the smaller machine rated bobbin thread. kgg Thanks a lot :-) That was just what I was looking for. When I bought needles for my machines, I just sort of picked different sizes so I had some of both ends of the specter, not knowing if a size 80 needle was bigger or smaller than a size 110. The smaller bobbin thread thing I have never tried, I have just seen it mentioned here a couple of times and thought that I most likely missed out on something. But I think I'll just keep on using the same size thread for top and bottom. Again thanks for helping. Brgds Jonas Quote
Members DrmCa Posted January 18, 2022 Members Report Posted January 18, 2022 Also: https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=nylon-thread-information https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=needle_system_conversion_table Quote Machines: Mitsubishi DB-130 single needle, Kansai Special RX-9803/UTC coverstitch, Union Special 56300F chainstitch, Pfaff 335-17 cylinder arm walking foot, Bonis Type A fur machine, Huji 43-6 patcher, Singer 99 hand cranked, Juki DDL-553 single needle (for sale)
Members Mulesaw Posted January 18, 2022 Author Members Report Posted January 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, DrmCa said: Also: https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=nylon-thread-information https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=needle_system_conversion_table Thanks, those are great links as well. Especially the one about the needle information. Whenever I tried to Google for some answers, mostly regular sewing machines turned up. Brgds Jonas Quote
Members chrisash Posted January 18, 2022 Members Report Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 69 thread, T70 and Ticket 20 are all the same size, in Europe many sewing supplies mark this as 20s, size 92 as 30s and size 138 as 20s Edited January 18, 2022 by chrisash Quote Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
Members Mulesaw Posted January 19, 2022 Author Members Report Posted January 19, 2022 @chrisash Thanks, It's just so overwhelming when I read another thread with some information that I could benefit from, and then it translates to pure gibberish in my head because I don't understand what is meant with the sizes mentioned. Brgds Jonas Quote
Members Gymnast Posted January 22, 2022 Members Report Posted January 22, 2022 Hello Jonas Amann Serafil thread got good quality, and I have used it a lot, and it is easy to buy in Denmark. It is a polyester thread. On the Amann website you can find the recommended needle sizes for it. Nylon thread is a bit thicker and almost the same thickness as the polyester thread for the same weight, because the density of polyester is a bit higher than nylon. https://www.amann.com/products/product/serafil/ I think the link proposed by kgg to Toledo provides a good table to you as to the thread size specifications most used on this website. But there is more systems to define thread sizes than that, and some of them can be quite difficult to figure out. /Viggo Quote Sewing Machines in Detail, YouTube channel
Members chrisash Posted January 22, 2022 Members Report Posted January 22, 2022 Sorry my Mistook it should read 69 thread, T70 and Ticket 40 are all the same size, in Europe many sewing supplies mark this as 40s, and size 92 as 30s and size 138 as 20s Quote Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
Members Mulesaw Posted January 22, 2022 Author Members Report Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, chrisash said: Sorry my Mistook it should read 69 thread, T70 and Ticket 40 are all the same size, in Europe many sewing supplies mark this as 40s, and size 92 as 30s and size 138 as 20s No problem, ;-) Being an engineer I really need to get my head into gear to compute anything that isn't just a diameter measurement. (Not that it would do any damage to once in a while challenge the brain) Cheers Jonas Quote
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