Oh, I have asked them, can't ever get a straight answer, I get answers like ole so and so had one and it was really cool, sure wish i had one like that. The last on said he saw one that had some kind of buckles like were used on harness,,,,,,,,, i was hoping somebody had some pictures,, I kind of know what they want, since they can buy one made in china. I'll get something figured out then go from there.