Strong Belt Loop Attachment?

[chuck123wapati]

4 minutes ago, MtlBiker said:

No, I'm not going to do the "toilet paper" type of stitching!  As far as I can see, there must be stitching along the sides AS WELL AS maybe a line or two of the toilet paper stitching. 

To try to better explain how I "managed to do that"... imagine wearing the pouch on your belt, really on your hip and not right in front or in the small of your back.  Now you walk by a table or something and the pouch itself snags on the item.  The belt loop doesn't hit anything but the way the pouch twists, it puts pressure on the rivets (the way I had them).  It's not the rivet shaft that gets the pressure but rather the head.  And after doing this often enough, eventually the rivet head popped open.  First one and then the other.

So for handling just the stresses of a normal belt loop, rivets the way I did them, are fine.  Or even toilet paper stitching would be fine.  But to handle the sideways pressure of the pouch twisting away when it catches on something, you need stitches parallel with the long side of the loop, just for maybe an inch at the top and also at the bottom.  That would give the strength to resist that sideways twisting.  I'm making a pouch this weekend (my weekend is always Sunday and Monday) and I have some leather drying in my mould waiting for me to get home.  I'm going to glue and stitch the loop.  (Or as they say here in Canada, "the loop, eh!".)

Cheers!
 

a couple stitches down the side then across the bottom, Most folks as previously said cut the loop with a rounded or belt shaped end and sew along the edge.

[MtlBiker]

1 hour ago, chuck123wapati said:

a couple stitches down the side then across the bottom, Most folks as previously said cut the loop with a rounded or belt shaped end and sew along the edge.

Chuck, is the reason for rounding the ends of the belt loop for looks, or something else?  I can't see that square ends or rounded would make any difference here.  First it won't be seen, and second, there's nothing that the end of the belt loop could catch on if it had square corners.  It was never the loop itself that was catching but the whole pouch.

[chuck123wapati]

4 minutes ago, MtlBiker said:

Chuck, is the reason for rounding the ends of the belt loop for looks, or something else?  I can't see that square ends or rounded would make any difference here.  First it won't be seen, and second, there's nothing that the end of the belt loop could catch on if it had square corners.  It was never the loop itself that was catching but the whole pouch.

 

On leather sewn to canvas  i know they use them to enlarge the sewing area and they also add a gusset on the back side to help with strength on leather to leather  just aesthetics mainly i guess there may be a logical reason or even the same reason as circumstance dictates. i use square ones quite often, actually more often than not lol sometimes even slanted ones. I figure the leather doesn't know the dif and here's why.

You use an awl to make slits in your leather instead of punching holes. Punching holes actually removes leather which weakens the seam and makes it like a postage stamp as everyone says. An awl removes no leather so no actual or minimal  strength is lost and that is why awls are used to sew leather. So basically IMO you can just about sew the end of a strap or loop in any direction or configuration if you use an awl and it wont effect the strength in any noticeable way. 

If you punch an 1/8th inch hole in a 1/2" strap to insert a rivet you have in essence made the breaking strength of your strap that of a 3/8" inch strap.

[tsunkasapa]

7 hours ago, chuck123wapati said:

If you punch an 1/8th inch hole in a 1/2" strap to insert a rivet you have in essence made the breaking strength of your strap that of a 3/8" inch strap.

I may be wrong, but I think it would reduce it to 3/16", the width on either side of the hole.

[Bert03241]

This is how I sew my belt loops on, looks good and will never come apart if caught on something

[MtlBiker]

Just a little update...  Thanks to the kind advice and suggestions from you folks, for the last two little belt pouches I made, I didn't use rivets.  Instead, I hand stitched the belt loop in place.  I also changed the size of the loop and the position on the back.  By making the loop part a little smaller, the pouch doesn't move up and down on the smaller belts I tend to use and that way it stays more snug and less liable to catch on things.  I also moved the loop a little higher up on the back side which helps keep the pouch in a more comfortable position.  I've now been wearing these for over a week and they catch on things much less often and the belt loops seem to be super strong.  Thank you everyone for your great help.

 

[chuck123wapati]

2 hours ago, MtlBiker said:

Just a little update...  Thanks to the kind advice and suggestions from you folks, for the last two little belt pouches I made, I didn't use rivets.  Instead, I hand stitched the belt loop in place.  I also changed the size of the loop and the position on the back.  By making the loop part a little smaller, the pouch doesn't move up and down on the smaller belts I tend to use and that way it stays more snug and less liable to catch on things.  I also moved the loop a little higher up on the back side which helps keep the pouch in a more comfortable position.  I've now been wearing these for over a week and they catch on things much less often and the belt loops seem to be super strong.  Thank you everyone for your great help.

 

[tsunkasapa]

Well done!

[Bert03241]

Great job looks much better and from your opinion works better too