Members Mocivnik Posted June 8, 2022 Members Report Posted June 8, 2022 I got whole hide of this leather into my hands at the local leather shop, but just after 2 projects I ran out of it. It's a really good one to work with, despite it looks bloddy amazing and comfortable to wear/bend. It's 2.5mm thick (about 6 oz.). Anyone knows, what type of leather this would be? Any help appriciated. Quote
Members Handstitched Posted June 8, 2022 Members Report Posted June 8, 2022 Just looks like a (bovine) chrome tan leather with a milled grain. Quote
CFM tsunkasapa Posted June 8, 2022 CFM Report Posted June 8, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 12:41 PM, Handstitched said: Just looks like a (bovine) chrome tan leather with a milled grain. Expand Second that. Quote
Members Chakotay Posted June 8, 2022 Members Report Posted June 8, 2022 Agreed with it being milled, but it could also be veg-tan. Try the boil test. Quote
Members DanDSilva Posted June 8, 2022 Members Report Posted June 8, 2022 Milling is a pretty common technique, so there are probably lots of cowhides from different makers that look like that. If you don't want to gamble on one that might not turn out to be to your liking, maybe bring a scrap back to the store you got it from and ask who made it or if they plan to restock it. Quote
Members Mocivnik Posted June 8, 2022 Author Members Report Posted June 8, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 12:41 PM, Handstitched said: Just looks like a (bovine) chrome tan leather with a milled grain. Expand What's a bovine? and what exactly is milled grain? On 6/8/2022 at 4:43 PM, Chakotay said: Agreed with it being milled, but it could also be veg-tan. Try the boil test. Expand What's the boil test? On 6/8/2022 at 6:48 PM, DanDSilva said: Milling is a pretty common technique, so there are probably lots of cowhides from different makers that look like that. If you don't want to gamble on one that might not turn out to be to your liking, maybe bring a scrap back to the store you got it from and ask who made it or if they plan to restock it. Expand Well..that's exactly what I did, but they told me "yeah, we just took this hide at one of the sellers, we don't know which one, nor which exact type of leather this is". I think he said it's veg tan, but not so sure anymore. Quote
Members battlemunky Posted June 8, 2022 Members Report Posted June 8, 2022 With that white core to it I'm betting it's chrome tanned. It looks like nice supple stuff but I have no idea how you find it's origin. Best of luck to you scoring more! Also, bovine is cow and milled is that grain on the hair side, the wrinkly parts. Milling usually makes the leather softer/more supple. Quote
Contributing Member LatigoAmigo Posted June 8, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted June 8, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 10:44 AM, Mocivnik said: what type of leather this would be? Expand It strikes me as bison (American buffalo). I buy it at the Hide House in Napa, California. They ship world-wide. Here are some examples from their website. https://www.hidehouse.com/ Quote
Members Garyak Posted June 9, 2022 Members Report Posted June 9, 2022 Looks like a 3-4 Oz pebble grain bag side. Easy enough to match on the pebble grain, as far as feel, you’d have to be there to see if it’s a match. Quote
Members Handstitched Posted June 9, 2022 Members Report Posted June 9, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 8:01 PM, Mocivnik said: What's a bovine? and what exactly is milled grain? Expand Bovine....Mooo....moooo.. Porcine....oink oink ....and yummy , but thats for a totally different thread. The milled bit is where its basically put in a machine and rotated , and dried . The lines in the grain etc. become bigger, bolder, softer, making it totally awesome but can't be cut with a (belt) strap cutter or burnished , believe me...and us....we've all tried it. You can try it yourself...until the cows come home ..ha ha !! sorry HS Quote
Members Chakotay Posted June 9, 2022 Members Report Posted June 9, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 8:01 PM, Mocivnik said: What's a bovine? and what exactly is milled grain? What's the boil test? Well..that's exactly what I did, but they told me "yeah, we just took this hide at one of the sellers, we don't know which one, nor which exact type of leather this is". I think he said it's veg tan, but not so sure anymore. Expand Boil a cup of water in the microwave. Then throw a tiny scrap of the leather into it. If it just gets wet (but otherwise holds it's shape), it's chrome-tan. If it shrivels up like a piece of fried bacon, it's veg-tan Quote
Members Mocivnik Posted June 17, 2022 Author Members Report Posted June 17, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 12:22 PM, Handstitched said: Bovine....Mooo....moooo.. Porcine....oink oink ....and yummy , but thats for a totally different thread. The milled bit is where its basically put in a machine and rotated , and dried . The lines in the grain etc. become bigger, bolder, softer, making it totally awesome but can't be cut with a (belt) strap cutter or burnished , believe me...and us....we've all tried it. You can try it yourself...until the cows come home ..ha ha !! sorry HS Expand ah, so many words for cow in english :D And yeah, I noticed, I had to cut straps using ruler and stanley knife, it's impossible to use anything else. But still, the leather is a blessing, it's really good one. On 6/8/2022 at 10:11 PM, battlemunky said: With that white core to it I'm betting it's chrome tanned. It looks like nice supple stuff but I have no idea how you find it's origin. Best of luck to you scoring more! Also, bovine is cow and milled is that grain on the hair side, the wrinkly parts. Milling usually makes the leather softer/more supple. Expand Did the hot water thing on it, showed no special movement at all, so I don't think its veg. tanned. Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted June 17, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted June 17, 2022 On 6/17/2022 at 6:55 AM, Mocivnik said: . . . And yeah, I noticed, I had to cut straps using ruler and stanley knife, it's impossible to use anything else. B. . . Expand Try to get one of these rotary blade knives. They cut this type of leather much easier Quote
Members Mocivnik Posted June 17, 2022 Author Members Report Posted June 17, 2022 On 6/17/2022 at 8:14 AM, fredk said: Try to get one of these rotary blade knives. They cut this type of leather much easier Expand Actually, I'm not working often with this kind of leather, but I also discovered what's best to cut with (so far): fresh new blade from the box. Cuts like a butter, is working for me just perfect tho. Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted June 17, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted June 17, 2022 The rotary knife is good for cutting any thin leather, up to even 4mm thick. It doesn't pull the leather so you get a nice straight cut the whole length Quote
Members Sheilajeanne Posted June 18, 2022 Members Report Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/9/2022 at 7:47 PM, Chakotay said: Boil a cup of water in the microwave. Then throw a tiny scrap of the leather into it. If it just gets wet (but otherwise holds it's shape), it's chrome-tan. If it shrivels up like a piece of fried bacon, it's veg-tan Expand Wow, now I just learned something new! What I've done previously is wetted a scrap of the mystery leather, and tried to stamp or tool it. If it won't stamp or tool, it's obviously NOT veg-tan. And yes, rotary knives work great for thin, stretchy leather. But just like with a regular blade, you have to make sure the blade is SHARP! Edited June 18, 2022 by Sheilajeanne Quote
CFM tsunkasapa Posted June 18, 2022 CFM Report Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 4:45 PM, Sheilajeanne said: But just like with a regular blade, you have to make sure the blade is SHARP! Expand And keep your fingers out of the way! Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted June 19, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted June 19, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 11:09 PM, tsunkasapa said: And keep your fingers out of the way! Expand Experience talking ? Quote
CFM tsunkasapa Posted June 19, 2022 CFM Report Posted June 19, 2022 No, I still have all 10. Even after running saws for 45 years. But a girlfriend almost lost a bit of hers. I like to learn from OTHER'S mistakes. Quote
Members Mocivnik Posted June 19, 2022 Author Members Report Posted June 19, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 10:19 AM, fredk said: Experience talking ? Expand 1 week ago exactly at this hour I missed my veins for an inch. Quote
Members Handstitched Posted June 20, 2022 Members Report Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 11:09 PM, tsunkasapa said: And keep your fingers out of the way! Expand My intro to leather, I nearly lost the tips of my fingers. My fingers were just over the edge of the ruler when cutting ...and ...OOPS!!! The tips of my fingers were nice and straight though HS Quote
Members Tequila Posted June 22, 2022 Members Report Posted June 22, 2022 On 6/20/2022 at 2:31 AM, Handstitched said: My intro to leather, I nearly lost the tips of my fingers. My fingers were just over the edge of the ruler when cutting ...and ...OOPS!!! The tips of my fingers were nice and straight though HS Expand Knew a guy that got a short finger from cutting, we called him Nubby. Quote
CFM tsunkasapa Posted June 23, 2022 CFM Report Posted June 23, 2022 On 6/22/2022 at 10:38 PM, Tequila said: Knew a guy that got a short finger from cutting, we called him Nubby. Expand Several years ago, when I was still building houses, one of the local carpenters was cutting metal roofing through his table saw. It kicked back and took several of his digits. We call him Fingers. Quote
Contributing Member fredk Posted June 23, 2022 Contributing Member Report Posted June 23, 2022 I once worked with a chap who had lost 3 fingers on each hand. We called him Kevin Quote
Members Handstitched Posted June 27, 2022 Members Report Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 11:47 PM, fredk said: I once worked with a chap who had lost 3 fingers on each hand. We called him Kevin Expand I worked at a newspaper in my younger days. Out he back collecting supplies, someone yelled out " quick, get an ambulance !!" I turned around and saw a bloke with two of his fingers hanging down on a few bit s of skin. He got his hand caught in a guillotine . He lost his fingers. I nearly threw up and almost passed out...I wasn't feeling very well HS Quote
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