How to add this effect on leather edges?

[Tugadude]

2 hours ago, Frodo said:

good morning all!! 
This is one of the craziest post I have read on this forum. 
every thing we do was done by someone else before us , we copy the method and improve on it then another copies us and so on 

their is nothing unethical about copying another’s work 

Do you saddlestitch?  Do you burnish edges?  That is someone else’s idea

pleasr explain the difference?  One is a stitch that makes a design the other is a stitch that makes a design, same with a laced edge

Frodo, I'll try one last time to share what I mean.  

It isn't that something hasn't been done before that makes something important, or what I call a "signature", but it is the fact that your use of it helps to set your work apart.

For example, the indigo blue dye example I showed.  Some like it, some don't, but it is obvious that this maker is using it as a signature, a way to identify that something is made by them.

My point is, if others think it looks "cool" and decide to begin doing the same thing, it waters down their brand or their signature, and soon they have nothing that makes them special.

So how about we just give them that, and not take it away from them?  Come up with another way to express OUR work, develop our own signature.  

Part of what drove me to make the initial post was that I've seen this happen in other areas of my life, so it isn't exclusive to leatherworkers.  Not by a long shot.

What I was hoping was to just stimulate some thought, some reflection, so that next time we see something that "looks cool" and are tempted to use it for ourselves that at least we think twice.  

There was no attack, no finger-pointing, we all have issues I'm sure, its part of the deal.

What bothers me is when there is a disagreement it immediately is identified as an attack.  How are we ever going to have civil discourse then?  Agreeing to disagree used to be a thing.  Not any longer.

[Mocivnik]

Well, I believe this thread turned wrong turn somewhere very soon, as it wasn't an idea to either discuss copyrights either copy the original author.

I am well aware, that there are some things/ways, that people spent a lot of time to understand/make/achieve and include a lot of anger, dissapointment and failure. But as long as I can see the "How do I do that" on Leatherwork board, I feel free to ask things as such, because I also asked which dye should I use for my leather projects (years ago, when I joined this forum). Well, I got the reply that Fiebings pro dye works best. Now, was either that a copy because I use same technique as someone else? Or is asking on how to do these funky shaped edges a simple asking for a direction?

If anyone does know how to do that and doesn't want to share this "from God hidden secret", I'm totally fine with it. It's every person's right. It's can be taken as sacred trick from Penn & Teller, I get it. But instead of receiving a lecture on "how not to copy anyone" I'd rather skip that tutorial.

 

Now, back on topic:

-I wasn't able to talk to the leathercrafter, who did that, becuase he has no information to reach, neither lives in my country.

-I don't want to copy that, I'm 80% interested in this as "how the hell is that even possible" and 20% on "oh yeah, I might use it someday" on some project. Depends also on many many other factors, but that's not the topic.

-I got already my own edge work (not a big deal, but it's slightly more round than everyone else's I believe), so I don't need an inspiration for that. I'm searching for more and more creative ways on how to "decorate/finish off" items as many options availible.

[Tugadude]

 

3 hours ago, Mocivnik said:

But instead of receiving a lecture on "how not to copy anyone" I'd rather skip that tutorial.

Wow, OK, sorry I said anything.  

It is clear that even with the best of intentions, my words are either in vain or mistaken by some as attacks.  

And so it goes.  

Based on the general reactions, in the future I'll just keep my opinions to myself.  They clearly aren't hitting the mark that I intended.

Last thing I want to do is create even more division.  So this is the last I'll say on the issue and I don't currently plan on participating much.  If and when I can provide some helpful information, I'll continue to do that.

If I sound a little "butt hurt" I guess it's because I am and I'm not afraid to admit it.  

And so it goes.

[Mocivnik]

3 hours ago, Tugadude said:

Wow, OK, sorry I said anything.  

It is clear that even with the best of intentions, my words are either in vain or mistaken by some as attacks.  

And so it goes.  

Based on the general reactions, in the future I'll just keep my opinions to myself.  They clearly aren't hitting the mark that I intended.

Last thing I want to do is create even more division.  So this is the last I'll say on the issue and I don't currently plan on participating much.  If and when I can provide some helpful information, I'll continue to do that.

If I sound a little "butt hurt" I guess it's because I am and I'm not afraid to admit it.  

And so it goes.

That cut-out didnt apply to all comments.

[fredk]

Right; lets get back on track. The photos are too small for me to see the edges properly. However, some look like heavy cord was wrapped around the sheath and pulled tight. The leather was wet and as the cord was pulled tight it 'bit' or pressed into the edges making the indentations and as it did so the leather on each side of the indent was pushed away and up wards. The edge of the leather can be slicked before this and it would remain so

[Samalan]

 Before anything else, I consider myself an inventor. I once worked in a bottling factory one day I came up with an idea of how to make part of the line process better. I was explaining my idea to a guy I worked with, and noticed the guy that worked in the back room was just in earshot of us and seemed not to have a reason for being there, he was just listing to everything I said. The next day I came into work and there he was with all the bosses explaining his invention to them, I just looked at him smiled, and said that's a very cool idea! he looked at me like a deer in the headlights and said thanks. So in my mind, if you see something unique, copy it and then say it was your idea, well good luck to you. Folks who do that kind of thing know who they are. LOL

[fredk]

I know what you're saying

Been there, t-shirt and ballcap and the keyring too, many, many times. Now I tell or show no-one till I have it protected

[Mocivnik]

@fredk: yeah, that make sense (on how to wrap it and stuff). Might try some day.

@Samalan: i get you. But I dont want to give this away as my invention, but to use it as a part of my creation.

[Frodo]

On 4/5/2023 at 11:22 AM, Tugadude said:

Chuck asks some good questions and I'll try to answer them best I can.

As far as copying and what is acceptable to copy and what is not, here's my take.  

We all copy.  If you boil things down to their base level where the rubber meets the road or the leather meets the pony, we all copy.  And we copy easy things, difficult things and yes, cool things.

I think there's acceptable copying and then there's copying that isn't as acceptable.  Figuring out which is which is somewhat easy for me, I just know it when I see it.  It is that little voice in my head, the conscience that tells me not to do something because it is unique to someone else and they might be harmed should I take their idea for myself.  I'm not suggesting I'm the only one with a conscience and I'm also not claiming to have the market cornered regarding ethics.  

We all have to make decisions.  Some decide differently.  Some read what I said and agree, some disagree and some fall in the middle, agreeing with some, but not all.  

If my post has done nothing but cause people to stop and think and ask themselves whether it is right or wrong to appropriate another's idea, then I've succeeded in what I set out to do.

Regarding the fancy edge treatment, I have no idea whether it is a unique process or something special that the maker devised him or herself.  In fact, maybe THEY copied someone else for all I know.  

There's a company that was selling wallets and such that were natural veg tan but they had a sort of indigo blue fade effect as part of their "signature".  Looked pretty neat.  It set their work apart.  In my opinion it's best left that way.

Just an observation, an opinion

not an attack

you are saying that you decide what can be copied and what can not. Why can’t I decide for myself ? If I decide a widget can be copied and you say other wise Am I wrong or are you wrong?

I understand your position and respect it. I respect your decision and will not question it.  Respect mine and extend the same respect

Here is where the real rubber hits the road 

if you have an idea that you do not want copied, patent that Idea, If you choose not to protect your intellectual property then it is not only morally and ethically acceptable to copy your work it is also lawful to copy your work

 

 

[Tugadude]

Well, that latest post just cements my decision to step away for awhile.  Not going to even dignify it with a response.  No need to defend myself or anything I said.

Take care folks.