maggielj Report post Posted November 5, 2023 I recently saw this while browsing, but it is a buckstitch needle for use in a cobra class 3 and 4. Has anyone used these? wondering if they’re worth the hassle. I would assume they could be used in other 441 clones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bruce johnson Report post Posted November 5, 2023 Good reports on them. A shop by me kept an old Landis around that didn't sew, just had a wide needle and used it to punch holes for buckstitching. I think it was Shane Deeter who got these going for the closed eye needle machines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted November 5, 2023 Wouldn't it need it's own special feed dog? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted November 5, 2023 I wonder if a Union Lockstitch chisel awl can be fitted into the needle bar of a 441 clone? Mine are at the shop. I'll compare the length and shank diameter on Tuesday and report back. The needle bar can be adjusted up and down as needed. It just needs to take the awl shaft and lock it in. Then the awl can be angled for punching buckstitch holes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CowboyBob Report post Posted November 6, 2023 12 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: I wonder if a Union Lockstitch chisel awl can be fitted into the needle bar of a 441 clone? Mine are at the shop. I'll compare the length and shank diameter on Tuesday and report back. The needle bar can be adjusted up and down as needed. It just needs to take the awl shaft and lock it in. Then the awl can be angled for punching buckstitch holes. Why wouldn't a standard LR needle for a 441 work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted November 6, 2023 4 hours ago, CowboyBob said: Why wouldn't a standard LR needle for a 441 work? It might do if it is twisted so the chisel is at about 45 degrees. It would probably have to be a #26 needle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maggielj Report post Posted November 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: It might do if it is twisted so the chisel is at about 45 degrees. It would probably have to be a #26 needle. Perhaps I will just look into ordering some large sized needles and playing around with it. It may be more economical in the long run. Thank you all for the input. A chisel awl is something that may be hard for me to come across but I am curious to see the results. Thank you, maggielj On 11/5/2023 at 1:47 PM, bruce johnson said: Good reports on them. A shop by me kept an old Landis around that didn't sew, just had a wide needle and used it to punch holes for buckstitching. I think it was Shane Deeter who got these going for the closed eye needle machines. Thank you for the input! I will be trying this tool out and trying some large sized needles also. Thank you! maggielj Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, maggielj said: Thank you all for the input. A chisel awl is something that may be hard for me to come across but I am curious to see the results. Campbell-Randall sells Union Lockstitch machines, needles, awls and accessories. @CowboyBob might have the leather point needles you need that are meant for your machine. You would need to angle the tapered points to get the buckstitch appearance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burkhardt Report post Posted November 8, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 11:38 PM, Wizcrafts said: Campbell-Randall sells Union Lockstitch machines, needles, awls and accessories. @CowboyBob might have the leather point needles you need that are meant for your machine. You would need to angle the tapered points to get the buckstitch appearance. Would a sewing machine needle be as big as that in any size? I got a 441 and that looks huge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
