Singer 211g165

[Boczs001]

Just wondering if this machine is worth it, wanting to do wallets and small stuff

[Northmount]

17 hours ago, Boczs001 said:

Just wondering if this machine is worth it, wanting to do wallets and small stuff

Moved your post to leather sewing machines.  More chance of getting help here.

[Constabulary]

Just from the picture... Machine has no reverse, not necessary but reverse is a bit more comfortable. Good thing is it already has a speed reducer installed which slows down the sewing speed and adds torque. The oil drip pan underneath the table is missing. It has an "old school" clutch motor. Though it has a speed reducer already the clutch motor may be a little hard to control. So a new servo motor is probably what you want Just test it maybe the clutch motor setup  works for you....

See attached file it will gives you some more information

211G165_166_265_266.pdf

[Boczs001]

5 hours ago, Constabulary said:

Just from the picture... Machine has no reverse, not necessary but reverse is a bit more comfortable. Good thing is it already has a speed reducer installed which slows down the sewing speed and adds torque. The oil drip pan underneath the table is missing. It has an "old school" clutch motor. Though it has a speed reducer already the clutch motor may be a little hard to control. So a new servo motor is probably what you want Just test it maybe the clutch motor setup  works for you....

See attached file it will gives you some more information

211G165_166_265_266.pdf 1.05 MB · 0 downloads

So is the missing oil pan a huge issue?

[Quade]

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So is the missing oil pan a huge issue?

They're about $45 on Amazon.  It keeps oil from dripping on you and your pedal.   These machines are oiled by filling a felt filled chamber on the top. The oil then works its way down copper felt lined tubes.  Eventually it drips off into the pan.  Juki's oiled this way have a drip pan with included catch bottle that catches the oil. You have to empty it periodically. 

Not having a reverse is the kiss of death in my mind.  Yes you can work around it but, it's not fun.  I'm getting rid of a needle feed consew primarily because it doesn't have reverse. Price isn't that great for a machine with no reverse.  I paid $300 for the consew. I really just wanted the table.  

Edited November 30, 2023 by Quade

[kgg]

On 11/28/2023 at 9:58 PM, Boczs001 said:

Just wondering if this machine is worth it, wanting to do wallets and small stuff

I wouldn't bother with purchasing this machine particularly since it does not have reverse and it has a clutch motor. Learning to use a clutch motor has for most a steep learning curve. Upgrading the motor to a servo motor will set you back another $150 to $200. I would suggest looking for something like a Juki LU-563 or a Consew 206rb.

What part of Canada are you in? Someone maybe able to suggest a dealer near your location.

kgg 

[ljk]

Try $300  Machine has speed reduction pulley.  The machine has large bobbin. Both servo;s and clutch have start issues. My wife has a clutch motor on her 206 with great control.  I have a 280l with Enduro with needle position I love it. My shop machine  a 206rb-It has a servo just ok. The speed reducer is valuable may help pay for that servo.  Unless you are a nit picker  a pc. of heavy fabric will worker just fine under that machine. I regret I didn't learn to backtack to lock stitches  If you learn  that"s what operators did for 100 years. My wife as a teenager worked in a garment factory and you would not get hired if you could not backtack.  Be aware that non-reverse machines for sale are factory machines and have been sold off either because they are fully depreciated are because of auction of a closed plant so sad.

[Boczs001]

6 hours ago, ljk said:

Try $300  Machine has speed reduction pulley.  The machine has large bobbin. Both servo;s and clutch have start issues. My wife has a clutch motor on her 206 with great control.  I have a 280l with Enduro with needle position I love it. My shop machine  a 206rb-It has a servo just ok. The speed reducer is valuable may help pay for that servo.  Unless you are a nit picker  a pc. of heavy fabric will worker just fine under that machine. I regret I didn't learn to backtack to lock stitches  If you learn  that"s what operators did for 100 years. My wife as a teenager worked in a garment factory and you would not get hired if you could not backtack.  Be aware that non-reverse machines for sale are factory machines and have been sold off either because they are fully depreciated are because of auction of a closed plant so sad.

As I'm not sewing big items could I just hand crank it backwards a few stitches?

7 hours ago, kgg said:

I wouldn't bother with purchasing this machine particularly since it does not have reverse and it has a clutch motor. Learning to use a clutch motor has for most a steep learning curve. Upgrading the motor to a servo motor will set you back another $150 to $200. I would suggest looking for something like a Juki LU-563 or a Consew 206rb.

What part of Canada are you in? Someone maybe able to suggest a dealer near your location.

kgg 

I'm in Saskatchewan 

[Constabulary]

32 minutes ago, Boczs001 said:

As I'm not sewing big items could I just hand crank it backwards a few stitches?

That is what I was thinking too when I was new to sewing machines. Not that does not work! But you can turn around the product you sew and make the back stitch that way.

[Quade]

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As I'm not sewing big items could I just hand crank it backwards a few stitches?

The mechanism of sewing requires that you only turn the crank forward.  It has to do with how the hook moves to catch the thread. When you turn the crank backwards, the hook goes backwards and can no long hook the thread and make stitches.  "Reverse" changes how the feed dogs and needle feed move. The machine is still sewing forwards but the feed dogs and needle are pushing the cloth backwards. 

You can stop with the needle down. rotate the whole work around and drive over some of the stitches you just made.   I've also seen people get the hook into the "release" position then move the work backwards a bit then put the foot down and sew over the existing stitch. 

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 My wife as a teenager worked in a garment factory and you would not get hired if you could not backtack.  

That seems like an interesting method to know. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Quade