ammo holder

[Thadrick]

Ive seen many ammo holders on here in the past but this one stumps me. I found this in a museum and couldnt help think that this design would work perfectly for bottle neck rimless ammo. My question is how the heck did they cut the outher loops like that to get things to fit ammo and yet look so clean? How can a person reproduce this to fit bottle neck ammo?  Just use a bunch of leather and try till its right? Where are the measurements taken from? 

 Anyhow? anyone know of any writeups on this design?

[AlZilla]

1/8" craft foam is a pretty good stand in for prototyping leather. Your imagination is probably as good as mine about how to make it happen.

[fredk]

My bestest guess is, the bullet holders were sewn in place then soaked in water and the bullets forced in, basically wet-moulding the holder

[Thadrick]

57 minutes ago, AlZilla said:

1/8" craft foam is a pretty good stand in for prototyping leather. Your imagination is probably as good as mine about how to make it happen.

Yeah, I just tried paper and it won't form properly.  It kinda looks like piano keys when laid flat though. Obviously wet formed to an extent?

[Thadrick]

53 minutes ago, fredk said:

My bestest guess is, the bullet holders were sewn in place then soaked in water and the bullets forced in, basically wet-moulding the holder

Definitely wet formed to an extent but the bottom part of the loops are nicely designed and sewn down to the end of the cartridge. Sometimes that kinda stuff floors me with our ancestors designs. They were brilliant. 

[bruce johnson]

Looking at the picture there is a slit below each bullet loop/pocket. I am sure some bit of leather was removed at the bottom like a "dart" in patterning. The cut edges were then butted up and that allows some of the loop to form and still lay flat around the ends of the bullets.  Cool design work and once you work out the patterning for the cuts, it probably falls together much easier than you think. There is going to be some wet forming to make a tight fit, but the design will make that a whole lot easier.  

[chuck123wapati]

looks like a round punch was used and a cut under it to relieve the wrinkling isssue with wet forming these small pockets. Use some scrap leather and quit with the almost-as-good stuff to work this out. just do one pocket  first and pin you leather down along the sides, then measure about where you want your punched hole at the base punch it out cut a slit to the end and then wet it and form around the end and pin it down until dry. there will be over lap on the slitt you cut when dry cut straight down through both overlapped tag ends to get that straight clean cut at the bottom. use thin leather! 

The hole and slot thing is a really good way to solve that wet froming problem, very cool indeed.  If you can't figure it out, then later today I might do one and show the pics i have a trap door on the wall and could use a good cartridge belt for it. 

 

[Thadrick]

14 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

looks like a round punch was used and a cut under it to relieve the wrinkling isssue with wet forming these small pockets. Use some scrap leather and quit with the almost-as-good stuff to work this out. just do one pocket  first and pin you leather down along the sides, then measure about where you want your punched hole at the base punch it out cut a slit to the end and then wet it and form around the end and pin it down until dry. there will be over lap on the slitt you cut when dry cut straight down through both overlapped tag ends to get that straight clean cut at the bottom. use thin leather! 

The hole and slot thing is a really good way to solve that wet froming problem, very cool indeed.  If you can't figure it out, then later today I might do one and show the pics i have a trap door on the wall and could use a good cartridge belt for it. 

 

As I was fiddling with paper trying to work out a pattern, I think it will require an oval punch?

 I'm in the middle of another project right now or I would get right after doing one of these, starting with strait wall cartridge first and then working my way to a bottle neck . My theory would be that the punched hole would be where the bullet and neck could poke through for bottle neck cartridges ?

Museums are awesome for ideas. Those Ole timers were brilliant. 

[Northmount]

@Thadrick I moved your post to Gun Holsters, Rifle Slings and Knife Sheathes.  It seems to be the best related forum.

[TonyV]

14 hours ago, bruce johnson said:

Looking at the picture there is a slit below each bullet loop/pocket. I am sure some bit of leather was removed at the bottom like a "dart" in patterning. The cut edges were then butted up and that allows some of the loop to form and still lay flat around the ends of the bullets.  Cool design work and once you work out the patterning for the cuts, it probably falls together much easier than you think. There is going to be some wet forming to make a tight fit, but the design will make that a whole lot easier.  

I saw that too.  With a round hole punched at the apex of the dart, everything fits together nicely, possibly without wet forming. But wet forming probably wouldn't hurt.