Members jeeperaz Posted February 13, 2011 Members Report Posted February 13, 2011 Yes, losing a sponsor hurts, but we would not have been able to accept Siegel's advertising anyway, not with all the customer service complaints we've receieved. Johanna I've been meaning to donate to this site. After reading this thread, I'll be doing it soon after finishing this post. Leatherworker.net for me is a tremendous resource. I will continue to click on those banner ads and make purchases through the advertisers here (waterhouse is current favorite). Thanks Johanna for this place!
Ambassador abn Posted February 13, 2011 Ambassador Report Posted February 13, 2011 Right after reading this post, I made my annual donation. I much prefer to have members of LW.net tell it like it is, and I'm certainly willing to support this site with my hard-earned dollars to make sure it remains that way.
Members Spence Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 A company is only as good as the morale of it's employees. The morale of it's employees is only as good as the employer allows it to be. It is a shame, and all too common, that ancestors almost literally work themselves into the grave to provide for their families. They train and mentor their offspring to take over the business and over a couple of generations, along comes a progeny that almost sinks the ship. And blames others!!! I only hope it can righted before it's too late. Admins, regardless of the "backroom goings on," you're on a roll!! Keep up the great work. Spence Mendoza, TX, USA
Members wildrose Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 Thank you Bar C for sharing. I always share both good and bad experiences with suppliers. As everyone encouraged you, stick to the facts of your experience and that's what matters most. (which is exactly what you did) It's always seemed to me that Steve himself tries to be helpful, but one person can't do everything right. I thought his apology was well intentioned, though the post to Johanna showed a different side. Holly Moore Wild Rose Creations http://www.wrcleather.com
Members bkingery Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 I have always been very open about how I feel about this site and its Admin. I know I am not likely the only one here that uses this site on a daily basis for evrything from general entertainment to very specific and often very precise info. All info is good info whether you choose to use it or not. Bar C I for one am very glad that you posted what you did and you should not feel bad in the least. Maybe Steven has had a bad year and he just needs time to get his stuff together but there are MANY of us that have defended him and I am sure hundreds if not thousands of people have gone to him for "anything leather". I hope he realizes just because of his advertising on this site. Maybe he doesn't need all of us little people and that is his perogitive,. I find it very sad that he chose to flame out Johanna especially after she has been one of his greatest defenders in the past. I know this will all work out for us as a community and am glad to see that there are so many contributing. Peace Bryan Don't like sugar in my coffee But love coffee with my sugar!!!!!
Members roo4u Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 the way i look at it is this....in this economy information like this about suppliers is vital to most, especially the hobbyists who typically work on a very short shoestring. if seeing the truth about his companys service is making him angry then perhaps steve needs to look at his service through new eyes and find a way to fix it rather than blaming those whose experiences with his company were rather unpleasant. TRACY MONSTER FARM SPECIALTIES-custom tack for dog, horse and human
reddevil76 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 I found leatherwork and subsequently this site when I went jobless and had free time. I had been meaning to contribute the moment I found a full time job. But as it is, I am still jobless. However, this thread is motivating me to contribute NOW, as I would like my favourite site to go on without being held hostage by advertisers who thinks our business is their right, rather than working sincerely to earn it. As per the story in Luke 21: 1-4, I would make my little contribution right after this post, hoping it would make a difference, however little it is. And more to come, when a full time job comes knocking.
Members StevenSiegel Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 Hi Bryan, The reason for dropping the advertising was because we were NOT servicing this clientele the way that they should be serviced. It was not retribution. I do care about y'all, it's just that we are not the company for many of you. I was not the one to make this a public issue. I have been bashed on 3 different threads for the last few months from this board. Some of the comments were EXACTLY RIGHT ON, but there were so many that were nothing but hateful; like the fellow that said take me off your mailing list, but, refused to give us the information to find him. To me, that is just spiteful and in poor taste. The other leather companies that advertise on this board are set up much better to service y'all. And as far as support of the :"industry" many of you know that we have given away 100's of thousands of dollars of leather for FREE to help others. I wish y'all well. Best Regards, Steven Siegel, CEO Siegel of California, Inc
Members StevenSiegel Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 I found leatherwork and subsequently this site when I went jobless and had free time. I had been meaning to contribute the moment I found a full time job. But as it is, I am still jobless. However, this thread is motivating me to contribute NOW, as I would like my favourite site to go on without being held hostage by advertisers who thinks our business is their right, rather than working sincerely to earn it. As per the story in Luke 21: 1-4, I would make my little contribution right after this post, hoping it would make a difference, however little it is. And more to come, when a full time job comes knocking. Sir, No one is holding anyone hostage. (Please see my other post) My Bible would encourage people to find peace with their fellow men. (With all due respect to the Lord, I am as guilty as the next person of not following this advice.) Peace brings unity, strength, love, health and prosperity. Dnn't you agree? Regards, Steven Siegel
Members jeeperaz Posted February 14, 2011 Members Report Posted February 14, 2011 The reason for dropping the advertising was because we were NOT servicing this clientele the way that they should be serviced. it's just that we are not the company for many of you. The other leather companies that advertise on this board are set up much better to service y'all. Can you clarify your statements? Since the vast majority of us here are either hobbyist or small businesses owners, are you saying that we would be better serviced by another supplier? That is what I'm reading.
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