Bobbin Tension Issues On Cowboy 3200

[csmartin73]

When you say back off on top tension, are you talking about the thread tension? How can i check to see needle size. I am using the needele that came with the machine.

Thanks

[Tree Reaper]

Yes, top thread tension.

The needle sizes are marked on the package when you buy them or you could measure them to get the size or just contact the dealer and they can likely tell you what was sold with the machine.

[dirtclod]

Get a magnifing glass and a good light and you can read the size of the needle on the needle it's self. The number is on the big end where it fits in the machine.

[Tree Reaper]

That doesn't work for me, it requires microscopic magnification.

Edited September 1, 2014 by Tree Reaper

[dirtclod]

I was able to read the numbers even when i had catracts. Most of the time now i use two pair of reading glasses to read the numbers and it is a lot easier to see them to.

[Red Cent]

This works with my C4. Same machine.

"Ok, here is something I just looked at I haven't fully tried it, but it should work, no removal of hooks is required:

Remove the dustcap from the end of the arm, exposing the bobbin.

Pull the thread out so that it hangs directly off the bobbin

Pull the upper thread up and out of the way.

Rotate the wheel so the needle buries to it's deepest point into the machine. In this position, the bobbin mouth should be facing about 7 o'clock, nearly straight down.

Pull the bobbin thread out a foot at the 7 o'clock angle so that it is exiting the bobbin directly, and hang it over a smooth rod like a screw driver so that the thread can dangle towards the floor but still exits the bobbin in a straight line.

Secure 8 oz to the end of the string.

With the screw driver supporting the thread again, tug gently on the weight to see if it will start for the floor. If the weight pulled the thread out easily before you even tugged on it, then you need more bobbin tension, if it hangs there and won't drop even if more weight is added, then your have too much (which I would expect from your description of the knots on the bottom of your work).

[csmartin73]

Okk dream team, I cant read the needle, I am going to assume it is a 23, since that is what I also received a 10 pack of, I am using 207 thread and I have tried to rotate the thread tension in two places but not really getting any difference in the backside. One of the adjustments is near the top left back of the machine and the other I adjusted in pretty close top the needle itself on the side, I rotated both of these about a half turn, as the manual says small adjustments, is this not enough to make a difference? I did not want to turn these things too much and really be in trouble. Any ideas,

[dirtclod]

Personally i use a 160 / 23 needle for 69 and 138 thread and a 200 needle not sure what the size is in the two number sizes for 207 and 277 thread. Just went and looked on Bobs website a 200 is a size 25 needle.

Edited September 6, 2014 by dirtclod

[Wizcrafts]

Personally i use a 160 / 23 needle for 69 and 138 thread and a 200 needle not sure what the size is in the two number sizes for 207 and 277 thread. Just went and looked on Bobs website a 200 is a size 25 needle.

This reply applies to CB3200, 3500, 4500 and similar 441 clone machines.

I use a #19 or #20 needle with #92 (T90) thread, which is the smallest size I use on my CB4500, and then only on very rare occasions. Such thin thread requires a lot of reconfiguring of the entire tension path. I find that #138 thread sews best into leather with a #23 leather point needle, the smallest leather point size commonly available in system 794. I prefer a #24 for #207 thread and always use a #25 needle for 277 thread. Finally, I use a #26 needle on those few occasions when I need to use #346 thread.

I have found that using any needle under #22 increases the chance that it will be deflected by the layers of leather, into the throat plate, or side of the feed dog, and bend or break. For this reason, I sew thin projects on either a patcher, or a walking foot machine, both of which use system 135x16 leather point needles. These needles are much stronger due to their shorter shaft, relative to the system 794. In fact, I stopped using system 190 in both walking foot machines due to excessive deflection and breaking of #18 and #19 needles.

[csmartin73]

If you look at the pictures I posted earlier, The top of the project has what I would call a normal thread look, The bottom side seems to have a tight look to it, the holes seem to be streched and the thread appears to be being pulled tighter into the leather. This is only a problem when the leather gets thicker. I am using 4 to 5 oz lined, on the edge where it gets 4 layers thick I get this issue. I am sure it is a adjustment but not sure what to adjust as the manual states counter clockwise etc but I am not sure if I should rotate the AUX tension, Thread tension, or Bobbin tension.