Singer "SV" machines

[Constabulary]

depends on what you prefer - the historical value of an "as is" machine or the optical improvement and increase in value of a restored machine. I figured that all of the machines I have restored where were NOT in a condition I would like to keep + use them. And JFTC you have to sell them quickly (you never know) you have a restored machine you for sure get some more $ for it than for an "as is" or "as found" machine. But depends on the point of view.

[dikman]

Yeah, I suspect I'll end up refurbishing this one at some point as it has a fair bit of rust on it. Of all my machines this one is probably in the worst condition. I'll have to start compiling a list, and availability, of parts first.

[Constabulary]

So here is the bulletin for the Singer 45KSV100 I have - I have turned it into a PDF file. Hope you like it

Singer 45kSV100.PDF

I also have found a pictures of a Singer 34KSV4 which is almost the same as my 34KSV5 but with shorter post. The other picture is an extract from an Singer add I once have found on Ebay and cut the 34KSV5 part.

Edited August 31, 2016 by Constabulary

[dikman]

So the SV designation goes back a lot further than I thought, judging by that extract for the 34KSV5.

 

[Constabulary]

Jep - my 34KSV5 has a J prefix and dates back to 1905. It´still working very well Of course no modern post bed machine with rotary hook but it sews really good!

[jimi]

Thanks for the bulletin folker, very interesting... never thought it was a needle feed????

as for the 34k?? that seems to be fit for another topic on its own?. i have seen these for sale several times and they seem to have an array of heads. it looks as if they have used 16k,17k and 45k heads on this class of machine. so with so many different heads to this class how can you possibly find the difference between a normal 34k (none seem to be normal) and an SV one??? 

[Constabulary]

34K11 is the heavier one with a 45K head and larger hook - approx same as the Adler Class 6. The other 34K´s I have seen have smaller / lighter heads like Singer Class 17 or 16. My 34KSV5, the before pictured 34KSV4 and a 34KSV6 I know of have an additional "needle bar guide" on the front side but I have seen this on a 34K5 marked machine too (not SV) so I guess the 34KSV5 turned into a later standard 34K5 or SV´s have some special accessories the 34K that came "off the shelf" do not have but thats all a guess.

Starts to become a bit confusing....

[dikman]

This got me curious (again) about my WSV77. I haven't used it much, but the other day, while sewing, I thought that the presser foot clearance didn't seem to be what I remembered. So I decided to adjust it, but just couldn't seem to get much clearance. Knowing lots more about Singers (and machines in general) now than I did when I bought it I started delving into what adjustments I could find. Low and behold I found a driving eccentric on the main shaft that was coupled to the presser foot lift. (I didn't realise what it was when I first got the machine). The adjustment looked like it was in a fair way, plus the screws were a bit loose, so I wondered if it had been slowly re-adjusting itself! Anyhow, I cranked it out to maximum, readjusted the needlebar/presser bar gap and checked the lift clearance - 3/8". I then checked the stitch length - 3 1/2 spi.

The specs for the 111W152 - 153 are 3/8" lift and 5 spi, the 154 is 1/2" lift and 5 spi, the 155 is 1/2" lift and 3 1/2 spi, So I may have found the major difference with the WSV - it has the 3/8" lift of the 152 - 153 but the 3 1/2 spi of the 155 (although the numbers on the stitch wheel stop at 5 it goes to a measured 3 1/2 spi. I suspect that I can increase the foot clearance by readjusting the presser bar height but that would probably reduce the foot pressure on thin leather. I'm guessing that 3/8" is the nominal clearance for this machine.

[MADMAX22]

Question for you guys. I was curious on the singer badges on these machines I understand that the early years have the solid brass ones and 1951 and later they changed to a colored ring around the outside and then other changes later on. The earlier year badges with the spool of thread there seems to be a difference in some of them, I noticed on some the thread spool is larger and closer to the center part of the badge (not sure what that is in the center). Is this related to the date they were made or geographical area they were made or does it have nothing to do with anything. Maybe different ones for different size machines? 

Also was there a difference in years where they used the star type rivets, the star rivets with center post, and the solid round rivets.

Thanks for your input. I added a couple pictures to show the differences. 

 

Edited September 2, 2016 by MADMAX22

[mikesc]

I think the "thing" in the centre is a shuttle*..

*oscillating bobbin used before they went to revolving bobbins on most machines..you can't use those "shuttle" sort of machines for embroidery work..on domestic machines they began phasing them out during the 1920s or so I think..

I notice that the artwork on the top image is finer ( better detail ) and that they went through a partial name change MFG Co to MANFG CO ( note the large O in the latter , and the addition of the A and the  N..The design is changed to make the rivets miss the letters and the place is "lost"..nowadays such changes would be very costly in Whale song and joss sticks, and come at a six figure price..

 

There may also have been the input of "illuminati" ;)..or not..

Edited September 3, 2016 by mikesc