Singer "SV" machines

[Constabulary]

Found another SV on the web - Singer 45KSV99

http://www.jomimachines.co.uk/shop/uncategorized/singer-45k-sv99-industrial-sewing-machine/

Looks like a standard 45k with reverse...

[MADMAX22]

Dikman I may be bugging you about your machine tomorrow, I am picking up a 111w155 that was suppose to be from WWII time period. I dont have the serial number yet but it has the same black model tag like yours. This is going to be my last machine purchase for a while. Its not a "SV" model. It is a "W" serial number though. 

I noticed on yours the oil cup (not sure what it is) on top above the tension assembly has a cap on it. Is that something that is just usually not on these models or is it something  that got lost very easily so you never see them? Just curious. 

This is a bad pic of the machine I am picking up if everything goes right. 

 

[dikman]

Madmax, that looks like it's in better condition than mine! No, there's no cap it's just an optical delusion caused by the camera angle. It looks just like yours, in fact from the front the machines look identical. The 155 is probably the pick of the bunch for leatherwork.

[jimi]

well that 45ksv99 looks no different from a normal 45k??? maybe it is just the reverse that makes it different??. and it has a normal hinged foot not the stepped one??? these SV machines are begining to be a pain in the ass!  

[Constabulary]

Just figured there were SV´s in 1913. Copied from ISMCS list:

F-

3705085

3706084

46KSV24

1000

January/June

1913

Clydebank, Scotland

So I think Singer always had SV´s of certain machines. Also found on needlebar.org

http://needlebar.org/cm/displayimage.php?pid=7758

Note the "formerly known as..."

So former SV´s machines became later standard machines. Maybe that was not always the case but at least some times.

 

 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Constabulary

[dikman]

39 minutes ago, Constabulary said:

So former SV´s machines became later standard machines. Maybe that was not always the case but at least some times.

 

 

Makes sense, or at least as much as anything can with these machines. If a "special" machine proved to be of worthwhile design it makes sense that it would be put into production. Of course, trying to figure out which SV became which model(s) could be a bit of a problem. Due to the records of the K factory surviving it may be possible to work out some of these, but the W machines will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do with any degree of certainty.

[MADMAX22]

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 2:01 AM, dikman said:

Madmax, that looks like it's in better condition than mine! No, there's no cap it's just an optical delusion caused by the camera angle. It looks just like yours, in fact from the front the machines look identical. The 155 is probably the pick of the bunch for leatherwork.

Your not kidding, got this thing together, cleaned and oiled everything, replaced the belt, took out both sets of roller bearings and polished the races and cleaned everything up and wow does it sew nice. Pretty sure it hasn't had much sewing time on it. The needle gets down right toasty sewing thru some vegtan that I was playing with.

 

On topic I am gonna start tearing into my 153wsv11 next. Ill be posting some pics as well. Similar machine to the 111 and 211 but some differences since this is my first cylinder arm machine.

What is the best way to differentiate between the 153w103s and 104s and other subclasses of this machine. I understand the 102 is needle feed vs the compound feed of the others. The casting is a little different on the front of the head on the 100-102s and they don't have the exposed bar on the back like the 103/104s correct.

Is the only difference between the 103s and 104s the amount of lift of the pressure feet and the max stitch length.

Thanks.

[dikman]

Glad to hear the 155 is working. I can't help with the 153's as I don't know anything about them. My usual process is to download as many manuals/parts lists as I can find on the various models and then start looking for differences. That's how I came to the conclusion that my 111WSV77 is closest to a 111W153. I'll be interested in what you find out.

[MADMAX22]

Well got some pics of the 153WSV11. Got some serious cleaning and probably a few parts. 

So looks like it was once originally black all over, not sure if the factory painted it all black then shot the grey over. Its not a perfect paint job but theres no over spray anywhere. 

Of the part numbers I have scene so far it matches singers part list for a 153W103. Only modification I can see so far is that part machined out of the front of the head by the tension assembly. As far as I know anyways. 

Its an old machine for sure, most of the parts look similar to my 111 which is pretty old as well. 

 

[mikesc]

Nice machine* :)
Looks like someone repainted the top in "hammer paint" ( carefully masking of some parts and removing others )..hammer paint needs a special thinner / diluant to not run or sag or make fish eyes when sprayed, those that can be seen don't matter, as long as it runs cleanly and doesn't leave rust marks on the leather. Might be worth your while matching the base with grey hammer paint to the top..Now my urge to buy a cylinder arm is back again :)

*Also very nice clear photos, lots of detail :)

Edited September 12, 2016 by mikesc