How to attach a binder to a Singer 111W155?

[Willie0]

I was wondering how to attach either a SailRite swing away or a right-angle binder to a Singer 111w155.  The right-hand plate has only one screw hole and requires two.  Is it possible to use a plate from another similar machine model that does have the two holes?  It would be very nice if there is a solution that does not include metal work!

This forum has been immensely helpful, and any suggestions would be incredibly appreciated.

[Constabulary]

drill new holes and cut new threads . Thats the cheapest way. I think I also have seen complete binding sets with dedicated feet, feed dog, needle plate and right side slide plate for the 111 type machines 

EDIT:

like this:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Crafts/14339/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=singer+111+binding

or modify a "beefed up" right side slide plate - see description:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SLIDE-COVER-ATTACHMENT-PLATE-RIGHT-INSIDE-240003SP-SINGER-111W-CONSEW-225-226-/122269724581?hash=item1c77d7efa5:m:mStaA8tlTrxIPshRdNQUnrQ

Edited February 4, 2017 by Constabulary

[mixmkr]

I've got a Sailrite swing away, as my right angle binder wasn't liking the stiffer Sunbrella running thru it.  I had a bracket and ended up attaching the Sailrite to that bracket.  The Sailrite binder is pretty flexible as to where you mount it, as you can adjust it over a fairly wide range.  I think you just have to make up something that works or get a bobbin plate that you can screw holes into.

[Willie0]

That bracket looks interesting.  Do you know where you got it or what it is called?

[mixmkr]

As you can see, my "first" swing away bracket puts the mounting holes over the bobbin plate, which is where I then attached the Sailrite binder.  Double swing away!!  The inline works SO much better, but of course you can't do inside curves as easy.  I've only got one screw holding the first bracket, and need to drill another in the bracket to match what my machine bed has.  But the one screw has held for a bit now.

[mixmkr]

[mixmkr]

ah.... got off my keister and drilled the bracket for two mounting screws.....

[mixmkr]

That bracket came with my machine and had my right angle binder on it originally.  Regrettably I haven't seen another like it, but since the Sailrite is swing away, you could just make one out of aluminum that doesn't swing.  Make an "L" bracket," , so to speak and let the Sailrite do the swinging.

As an offshoot, I was ordering some stuff some Sailrite yesterday and had some questions.  I was able to talk to Matt Grant (VP)  and he was extremely helpful in answering some questions, as have been others in the "chat" too..

[Willie0]

That looks very nice.  I have binder envy.    I am still trying to think of ways to rig this up so I don't have to mess with taking the plate to a metalworker. 

[mixmkr]

wherever you have screw holes in your machine bed, you should be able to use them.  Just use some paper to make a template and have someone just cut it out of some 1/8 "" aluminum or whatever.  I don't think it would be premature to order the Sailrite binder if you haven't..as that would actually allow making the design all that much easier.  I just had this bracket, but even a "T" square metal ruler would have worked, cut to size. 

[brmax]

I would look into a swing away as above Mixmkr is showing i have liked that style if many task are done.

With a photo possibly or just seeing if you have some "already" threaded holes on the flatbed casting, vs the bobbin plate cover.  Though sometimes they can be drilled for whatever was used with a pattern made.

In any case if you think you could use the part that's bolted/screwed to the casting as above, well that part can be had with this reference and from Tennessee attachment co. part no. TAC460-11

http://www.tennattachment.com/

They have a net site and have been making these type pieces for the factories a really long time. And they have a catalog of them but ya best get several bags of popcorn, again been making a long time standard and just what ever a customer could dream up.

I have one as Mixmkr "had" (the 90degree) all setup with the raised feed dog cover plate and such but as happens i needed to do many different projects also and so removed for the factory plate and would like to get "just" the binder part as he did above. 

good day 

Floyd

Edited February 4, 2017 by brmax

[Uwe]

Tennessee Attachment Co. sells all manner of binding related things. The website hasn't quite made it into the current century, but they do have a Flyer for Binder Setups that includes the kit shown below : 

[mixmkr]

I agree about last century's website.... but they DO have they swing away that I have.  No reference of part number but it's on this page:... in the middle on the right side

http://www.tennattachment.com/SPECIALTY, MISCELLANEOUS PARTS PAGE.html

Edited February 4, 2017 by mixmkr

[mixmkr]

By the way...I did grind on my swing away in the picture above, and it isn't like it's really hard stainless steel.  I had to widen the one slot to match the holes in the bed of my JUKI.  A little dremel did it really easily.

[Willie0]

I don't know if it helps, but here is a picture of my machine. 

[mixmkr]

It has the same two holes as my JUKI in the lower right of your picture.  Basically identical bed.  I believe they were metric too, so you'll need a hardware store that sells beyond the typical screws.....  but a big box store ought to have them too.

Edited February 4, 2017 by mixmkr

[Willie0]

I looked closely at this picture from another thread: 

New to industrial sewing machines Juki LU-562

Could it be that simple? 

[gottaknow]

I buy a lot of folder stuff from Tennessee Attachment. They are a good company to work with. I'd call and tell them which machine you have and what folder you want to mount. You could even send them that last picture. Those are pretty standard mounting holes. Their quality is good. They've been around forever. I would go with a swing away style mount rather than a cover plate mount. More versatile for different folders. The attached picture is one of my leather binders. If you look how the mount is fastened to the machine, you'll see it's just a single screw. The two tabs over the front edge of the bed keep it solid.  The hole that's farther back on the bed is for a larger mount. This is the proper way to mount it so you have full adjustment left to right without having to drill another hole. 

Regards, Eric 

[Willie0]

I can see how that could be superior because the binder is not affixed to the moveable plate.

Thank you to everyone who has given me some ideas today.

[mixmkr]

The only negative  to the inline swing away though is if you're binding the inside of smaller curves, trying to shove the material up against the binder.  Outside curves are a piece of cake..  My right angle binder didn't like stiffer bindings though, as the binding get "inverted" going thru that type.  The swing away makes life easy though is too many ways.

Edited February 4, 2017 by mixmkr

[gottaknow]

13 minutes ago, mixmkr said:

The only negative  to the inline swing away though is if you're binding the inside of smaller curves, trying to shove the material up against the binder.  Outside curves are a piece of cake..  My right angle binder didn't like stiffer bindings though, as the binding get "inverted" going thru that type.  The swing away makes life easy though is too many ways.

When using heavy binding with inside curves, a 45 degree folder is fantastic. I use them for heavy twill that you can't even  get to fold out of a 90 degree folder. The swing guide is needed when you have to do a tie-in with your binding. They are more costly, but in a factory, folders and mounts pay for themselves quickly with reduced production costs. 

Regards, Eric 

[mixmkr]

45 degree ....oh yeah.  I'll have to think out how to get the straight line to "swing" into a 45, if that's even possible.  Double hinges for sure.   Great tip.  Thanks!!!

[gottaknow]

2 hours ago, mixmkr said:

45 degree ....oh yeah.  I'll have to think out how to get the straight line to "swing" into a 45, if that's even possible.  Double hinges for sure.   Great tip.  Thanks!!!

A 45 degree folder is neither an inline, or a right angle (90 degree). It's a class of folder by itself. It just relaxes the bend and allows heavy bindings to not only accommodate inside curves, but flow easily. They work great. I've never shopped for them online, I usually have them made. The companies like Tennessee Att. , Atlanta Att, etc do sell stock folders. The quality of these professional folders is way better than what most people buy online. Pre-made folders run $75-$300 custom folders are $1000-$1600. They're heavy stainless to withstand the abuse of a factory. That folder in my last picture has had 5000 yards of 1" leather ran through it in the last 6 months or so. It's also about 20 years old. I love doing folder work, pretty much on a daily basis. Most hobbyists can't justify the price, which is fine since it's overkill for occasional use. I have a lot of folders. The picture is my outer shop with the folders on the right, and the mounts to their left. 

Regards, Eric

[mixmkr]

Thanks Eric, ...don't want to hi-jack this thread, but I've learned a lot too.  Maybe some pics of a 45 degree binder when things slow down :-D    Good info, thx again.

[mixmkr]

Is this an approximation of what you're talking about?