Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 15, 2017 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 15, 2017 That one IS free. The next one posted may or may not be ADDING ONE, though.. this one not as detailed, but still a good investment of six minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnfga0x70Q The basics of making a leather paddle holster (kydex paddle insert). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsXw3gabqk A guy who never made a holster could see how JUST from this one video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXPUcdN9_E No words, no grandstanding and yet easy to see whats happening all the way through Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members wayner Posted July 16, 2017 Members Report Posted July 16, 2017 ok im really starting to get confused here, we have a Moderator thats keeping a argument going about videos and i think he has a site that you have to pay for videos !!!!! Might be a little bias there but the more important thing is i thought Moderators were there to stop B.S. like this not to keep poking the Bear Quote
Moderator immiketoo Posted July 16, 2017 Moderator Report Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, wayner said: ok im really starting to get confused here, we have a Moderator thats keeping a argument going about videos and i think he has a site that you have to pay for videos !!!!! Might be a little bias there but the more important thing is i thought Moderators were there to stop B.S. like this not to keep poking the Bear Since you've made the connection between me and my business, I'll address it. You're right. I do have a site for live content that is paid. It costs a little bit of money to make live video classes happen. Can't get around that. It's the infrastructure. A for arguing, nobody is doing that, just having a bit of discussion. Jeff keeps emphasizing FREE in his posts, and it automatically excludes a lot of excellent content. This is my issue. Free content is good. Paid content is usually better because it HAS to be. Otherwise people wouldn't pay for it. Also, in most cases, I agree with Jeff. He is extremely knowledgeable, and an amazing resource to all of us here, myself included. On account of that, Jeff has a following and a voice here and it's irresponsible to ignore excellent content on account of it costing a few dollars. For example, John Bianchi made a whole series of holster videos that are comprehensive with regard to making gun leather. They are expensive, but worth it. Obviously, I can't post them here as it would violate all kinds of copyright laws and be morally objectionable. My point is that while its ok to have an opinion about FREE, I have a differing opinion about paid, simply because of my experience. Let me ask you this. Would a week long class with an industry professional where you build three holsters side by side have value? Of course it would. It was also one of the best investments I've made into leather work. If we keep the FREE thing going, are we doing a disservice to those in the industry who offer live, hands on classes? Where is the line drawn? That is my only point. Not poking the bear, or arguing. Only offering a differing opinion. And, for the record, my site has ZERO holster content, and the majority of the classes are taught by professionals OTHER than myself, so please don't confuse my differing opinion with a conflict of interest about my site. Its not. Its about a conflict of interest with an entire facet of the industry. Quote Learnleather.com
Members Clintock Posted July 16, 2017 Members Report Posted July 16, 2017 10 hours ago, wayner said: ok im really starting to get confused here, we have a Moderator thats keeping a argument going about videos and i think he has a site that you have to pay for videos !!!!! Might be a little bias there but the more important thing is i thought Moderators were there to stop B.S. like this not to keep poking the Bear Totally agree. I've been on forums before where mods think they're gods and keep the drama stirred up. Just let things go sometimes. @immiketoo how is paying for classes or instructional videos helping the industry? If a guy wants to teach someone else something for free, does that mean he doesn't know all there is to know because he's not charging for the lesson? I play music and never had a class. Both parents and aunts and uncles play. No classes anywhere. I've played along side folks who have paid for sessions or classes and still can't keep time or rythum. But since they paid for classes they're supposed to be better? I don't think so. I can see how you think it's supposed to be that way but it's not. Never will be. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 16, 2017 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 16, 2017 So, is there some issue with presenting videos about the topic? Here's as clear as I can make it --then maybe I just go fishin' ... POST a link to a video you feel has value. Simple. Somewhere along the line, we have a list of links that may help other holster boys 'n' girls, saving them hours of searching and weeding out what isn't as helpful. The end. _______________________________________ NOW, just to bounce off other things that somehow crept in like weeds. I'm just going to put this here. I know most like to sneak around behind the scenes. But I'm not one of them Wayne → No worries, man. Mike → So you know, generally ... I'm not "opposed" to paid instruction. But I don't equate price with value. And I'm generally not susceptible to hype and hoopla (including 'name dropping'). Put a price tag on a piece of poop, it's still poop. I once found my buddy had the same shirt I did. I paid $40 at a store. He paid $80 at another store. SAME shirt. His store had a larger advertising budget and more sales people. Those things cost money, which is then added to the price of the shirt. But since none of that improved the quality of the shirt, I saved 50%. I think the difference is that Matt couldn't stand anybody saying that he got his shirt at the less "fancy" store. This is lame, clearly (small man complex on a big guy). But, "a fool and his money ..." I used to know a guy, called himself a contractor (I prefer 'con-man-tractor'). Need a new roof, siding, etc? Call this guy, write a check for $10k. Then he'll call some other guys, have them do the work, pay them $4k, cover the $4k for the materials, pocket the rest. Wait.. I'm paying that guy WHY? No thanks, I'll pay the guy who does the work. (In that particular case, the guy made an issue and irritated me - so I called the crew leader, set him up with his own commercial insurance and estimating software, and now refer HIM to anybody who asks about the work). I do not assume that because "so and so" endorses something that it's necessarily worth more than that poo I mentioned. I've had people who have never seen a cobra sewing machine tell me at length that they are very good and that's the one to get. Anybody not agree that's ignorant? They just parroting what they heard, or read, and that may be from another who didn't know what they were talking about. All of which adds up to -- I'm interested in the actual facts, the actual product - not the story that often comes with it. I know some people like to (need to?) have a receipt for $10k so they can "impress teh neighbors" with how much they spent. Personally, give me teh guy who does my roof correctly And more specifically, ... I have never had anything derogatory to say about your site or your lessons (if that's what you call them). Because I've never seen them. In the event I ever saw one, I would be rigidly honest about what I thought about it -- sell me a good product, I will tell people that. Down side, sell me something not acceptable (content, materials, price, etc) I will tell people that as well. For others who might read this whole discussion which didn't need to happen, Mike and I have never met. I don't feel bad or good about that But my friend Robert mentioned meeting you at some point. Said you were with some gal either had married or were about to ... and he described "seems like a decent guy" , which from Robert was actually a pretty glowing review (he didn't talk that much, and when he did he meant it). He added that he had taken some on-line lesson (something about cobra stitchers?) which he thought was a waste of time and money by a guy who he described as 'awful arrogant for no more'n what he does'. No benefit gained naming that guy here. Long as I'm on that thread.. never met EricA either. Or really discussed anything with him at all. Or seen his products -- other than pics on the web, a couple of clips that appeared in why-tube searches, and as much of the video above as I could take. I know he has some paid products, but I haven't purchased them since I didn't like what I saw for free... just not alluring to me. If teh next guy finds value in it, congratulations - no offense taken Just personal preference, but if I'm gonna watch a video with "no words..." (aka just pretty pictures) then I prefer this one -- pretty pictures AND holsters ..) Best part -- you can FF to about 1:30 it gets purdy good BOTTOM LINE, REALLY... This could have been a beneficial catalog of relevant information for those interested in making leather holsters - tooled or not. The rest of this never had to happen. SO THEN .. I'll continue to bookmark GOOD information, and offer it free of charge to those who ask. Someone doesn't want to use it - fair enough - whatever. I'm a little upset that I've never met that gal in teh cowboy hat (pick one, don't matter which). Other than that, maybe somebody contact somenone who removes these posts (c'mon - you know how to do that) and wipe it out. Whatever. Just don't touch that GOOD video (the girls, for those confused)... everything else will all work out Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Moderator immiketoo Posted July 16, 2017 Moderator Report Posted July 16, 2017 Jeff, I appreciate your reply. Its true we have never met, and that Robert was a good man. Wish he was still with us. The gal was from right here on LW.net and we now live happily in Greece. Hats off to the forum for getting me out of law enforcement after 20 years so sucking shit for a living. As for the rest, I have nothing against you, I just feel strongly about the subject matter and the good of the industry. There are a lot of good resources out there, this site being one of the best. In retrospect, I apologize for derailing the thread. Some things just stick in my craw and I can't let go. So, all that said, its generally my policy to leave the thread alone for posterity, but I can clean it up if that is your preference. Quote Learnleather.com
Members wayner Posted July 16, 2017 Members Report Posted July 16, 2017 Hey jeff if you ever deside to leave this forum and go somewhere else please advise me of where it is i find your knowledge to be very helpful , and when someone asks your opinion on something they have made you offer than constructive criticism instead of trying to attack them (and before anyone goes off topic the last part of this message has nothing to do with videos ) so take a chill pill Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 16, 2017 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 16, 2017 Got my breakfast with garlic, onions, 'n' jalepenos. Feel like I'm coming back to make sure i didn't miss an episode of my favorite show 41 minutes ago, immiketoo said: Jeff I appreciate your reply. Wait.. did I have some affect on diplomacy and peacekeeping? SAY IT AINT SO - never live that down 50 minutes ago, immiketoo said: I just feel strongly about the subject matter and the good of the industry I'm with ya. Probably off in the other ditch here, though.. I've had more than my fill of people who are very skilled with Fakebook and Instagram, but whose leather skills are -- well, nevermind all that ... No preference from here .. delete it, leave it, whatever. If you think it sounds to others like a couple old women bickering and might somehow discourage the newcomer to teh site, wipe it out - no harm done. All I'm interested in is the list of resources, which is just as easily done in a single pdf (I think). I'm just lazy enough to try to get others to contribute to the list (save me some searching, too!). If your current set up allows for quick and easy removal of the Allman boys while leaving the girls, I'm okay with that NOW.. where's that chubby girl with my coffee .... Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Moderator immiketoo Posted July 16, 2017 Moderator Report Posted July 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, JLSleather said: Wait.. did I have some affect on diplomacy and peacekeeping? SAY IT AINT SO - never live that down I'm with ya. Probably off in the other ditch here, though.. I've had more than my fill of people who are very skilled with Fakebook and Instagram, but whose leather skills are -- well, nevermind all that ... NOW.. where's that chubby girl with my coffee .... A. You'll never live it down. B. In this, we are in complete agreement. C. Greece is full of those. Good coffee too! Quote Learnleather.com
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted July 17, 2017 Author Contributing Member Report Posted July 17, 2017 21 hours ago, wayner said: jeff if you ever deside to leave this forum Wayne - leaving to the post office shortly But you got the phone # anyway ... TWO videos I'd like to see, if anybody done already searched 'em out. The one where somebody shows me how to determine the sizes/proportions for curved pancake holsters #curvedpancake The one where somebody shows me how to make a holster without using a pattern at all. Maybe both in one video? Or separate, either way. Wait.. there's THREE I'd like to see... cuz nobody believes I'm not gonna go watch those gunslingin' gals in the saloon again! Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
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