Bag terminology help?

[gigi]

'Double pouch bag/purse' or 'Accordion double clutch purse' or 'Fold over double zip purse'

@RockyAussie     Briaaan!  

[fredk]

2 hours ago, Dun said:

I'll have to see what I can find that isn't too heavy. I'm already worried about how heavy this will already be

Go to a hobby shop which caters to R/C or plastic kit modellers. They usually keep sheets of plastic [aka plasticard]  Available in polystyrene or ABS etcetera. Thickness is usually measured in thou of an inch, eg 10 thou, 20 thou, 30 thou, 40 thou. 40 thou = 1mm approx.  Sheets are commonly A4 size and about $1 a sheet. It comes in white, black, clear and sometimes other colours. A sheet weighs just a few grams

30 thou [three-quarters of a mm]  should be thick enough. Use a contact adhesive to stick to bag leather, then cover it all with a pigskin lining

For mildly firm re-enforcing I just use compressed cardboard - the type which is used in the 'Do not bend' postal envelopes. Cardboard has been used like this for about 100 years. I've even used the thinner card from cereal boxes on small projects

[Dun]

2 hours ago, gigi said:

'Double pouch bag/purse' or 'Accordion double clutch purse' or 'Fold over double zip purse'

@RockyAussie     Briaaan!  

accordian! that's probably the word I was looking for!
 

 

1 hour ago, fredk said:

Go to a hobby shop which caters to R/C or plastic kit modellers. They usually keep sheets of plastic [aka plasticard]  Available in polystyrene or ABS etcetera. Thickness is usually measured in thou of an inch, eg 10 thou, 20 thou, 30 thou, 40 thou. 40 thou = 1mm approx.  Sheets are commonly A4 size and about $1 a sheet. It comes in white, black, clear and sometimes other colours. A sheet weighs just a few grams

30 thou [three-quarters of a mm]  should be thick enough. Use a contact adhesive to stick to bag leather, then cover it all with a pigskin lining

For mildly firm re-enforcing I just use compressed cardboard - the type which is used in the 'Do not bend' postal envelopes. Cardboard has been used like this for about 100 years. I've even used the thinner card from cereal boxes on small projects

Ill check it out Fredk. That stuff sounds good to also make some dummy cards for wallet making too.

[RockyAussie]

WTH I'm trying to sleep here and there's a  bat silhouette flashing and then it morphs into a kangaroo and now someone's yelling my name...........

I googled double zippered clutch purse and found a few similar looking things. See pic below. In Pinterest there is a heap to check out in this link..    https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/537969117979718870/

@Dun I am curious what material/leather you would like to make this out of. There are a ton of different ways to make something along this line but what tools/ machines do you have such as a small or large cylinder arm and skiver etc? Where I might go with a 1mm (2.5oz) chrome tan with stiffeners and padding you might like 2mm (5oz) firmish veg.  The lesser the machines available the simpler the construction is normally best. An actual picture of something close to what you want to make would help a lot and some idea of the size dimensions as well.

On 15/01/2018 at 7:14 PM, Dun said:

Even though it was cheaply made I should have gotten it to try and get a pattern out of it.

And this is always cheaper than starting from scratch. It gives you insights as you pull it apart as to what steps  should be done and normally you will find ways of doing it better and sometimes even easier.

I hope that helps for now ..... and can someone pleeeese get that kangaroo light off of my ceiling

Brian

[mikesc]

I hope that helps for now ..... and can someone pleeeese get that kangaroo light off of my ceiling

You should just tell it to "hop it".

[Dun]

27 minutes ago, RockyAussie said:

WTH I'm trying to sleep here and there's a  bat silhouette flashing and then it morphs into a kangaroo and now someone's yelling my name...........

I googled double zippered clutch purse and found a few similar looking things. See pic below. In Pinterest there is a heap to check out in this link..    https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/537969117979718870/

@Dun I am curious what material/leather you would like to make this out of. There are a ton of different ways to make something along this line but what tools/ machines do you have such as a small or large cylinder arm and skiver etc? Where I might go with a 1mm (2.5oz) chrome tan with stiffeners and padding you might like 2mm (5oz) firmish veg.  The lesser the machines available the simpler the construction is normally best. An actual picture of something close to what you want to make would help a lot and some idea of the size dimensions as well.

And this is always cheaper than starting from scratch. It gives you insights as you pull it apart as to what steps  should be done and normally you will find ways of doing it better and sometimes even easier.

I hope that helps for now ..... and can someone pleeeese get that kangaroo light off of my ceiling

Brian

Haha thanks! I'll start going through that pinterest link in a bit. That pic you added at the bottom is very interesting. Not sure how that would open and function while hanging from a cross body strap.

-cylinder arm?

I'm thinking a soft pliable 3-4 oz for the inner pouches and thicker veg tan like you mentioned or maybe start experimenting with bridle?

Yeah all hand tools here, and not many of them yet.

[RockyAussie]

OK ...I'm  awake and coffeed up now

Dimensions...width height depth? I'm thinking maybe really simple construction by doing a little like your first drawing but with a total of 2 pieces of 3 oz for the linings. each side is a separate unit. 2 zips. One outer cover piece 3 to 4 oz. 2 little tab shapes that connect at the top over the gusset ends in the middle join to hold the Ds. The tabs/folds of the gussets face outward instead of inward but are part of each side pocket in the one cut. The stitching on the gusset ends get done along with the outer cover when it is attached. The little holders for the Ds attach with one rivet to the ends lastly.

How are you at doing edge finishing? The first picture below shows a raw edge that is sanded in and the colour edged and the second picture shows a similar to what I mean by an outer cover going on last but note the outer edges are folded over a stiffener. This method does not need as much edging skills but would normally need some good skiving skills. The next picture shows gussets done similar to the one in your drawing style and they are fairly difficult to design and get right and would recommend against that method unless you have some skill with it already.  If you'd like to give me some dims I will post a sketch asap.

[Sheilajeanne]

LMAO at this thread, and the comments! 

We REALLY need a 'like' button for posts!

Greetings from frigid Canada, Rocky Aussie, though I hear parts of Oz are having a really cool summer.

Tandy sells a bag stiffener in sheets: https://www.tandyleather.ca/en/product/bag-stiffener?ip_lookup_country_id=CA&loadedFromCookie=1&session_id_token=154aa076e69dcb57e061d096e623b6ec29e3ade3

There's even a video out there, showing how to insert it (NOT done by Tandy)  Oh, heck, here's the whole page of Google links when I did a search for 'bag stiffener! Ya never know which ones might be useful! Be aware there are different kinds and weights:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=tandy+bag+stiffener&rlz=1C1GGGE_enCA377&oq=Tandy+bag+stiffen&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0.4647j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Edited January 17, 2018 by Sheilajeanne

[Dun]

5 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

OK ...I'm  awake and coffeed up now

Dimensions...width height depth? I'm thinking maybe really simple construction by doing a little like your first drawing but with a total of 2 pieces of 3 oz for the linings. each side is a separate unit. 2 zips. One outer cover piece 3 to 4 oz. 2 little tab shapes that connect at the top over the gusset ends in the middle join to hold the Ds. The tabs/folds of the gussets face outward instead of inward but are part of each side pocket in the one cut. The stitching on the gusset ends get done along with the outer cover when it is attached. The little holders for the Ds attach with one rivet to the ends lastly.

How are you at doing edge finishing? The first picture below shows a raw edge that is sanded in and the colour edged and the second picture shows a similar to what I mean by an outer cover going on last but note the outer edges are folded over a stiffener. This method does not need as much edging skills but would normally need some good skiving skills. The next picture shows gussets done similar to the one in your drawing style and they are fairly difficult to design and get right and would recommend against that method unless you have some skill with it already.  If you'd like to give me some dims I will post a sketch asap.

Hmmm

 

lets go with height 9 inches

length 10 inches

width total 4 inches (two pouches at 2 inches each)

 

hopefully not not too big to bump into everything but could still fit a small book 

 

1st pic-outer edges I’m familiar with for veg tan. (I have a bottle of Tandy edge flex but have never got an edge I like out of it)

2nd pic-covered accordion is something I do want to learn, I think I’ll need it eventually. I have done a little super skiving on veg tan.

3rd pic- ! What are those called? I have seen those and want to learn but have never tried.

 

thanks rocky, you have been all kinds of help.

SJ, thanks but I don’t think I have any leather thin enough yet that needs stiffener. Unless you mean for the floor of the bag? Tandy’s is a paper product right? Wouldn’t that get too crumpled over time for a bottom plate?

[RockyAussie]

16 hours ago, Dun said:

lets go with height 9 inches

length 10 inches

width total 4 inches (two pouches at 2 inches each)

Just before I go any further I've done a rough sketch of the sizes you've given and this is a fair bit different than your earlier sketches proportionally. If you are OK with this I will carry on. Brian