Bag terminology help?

[Sheilajeanne]

23 hours ago, Dun said:

SJ, thanks but I don’t think I have any leather thin enough yet that needs stiffener. Unless you mean for the floor of the bag? Tandy’s is a paper product right? Wouldn’t that get too crumpled over time for a bottom plate?

Dun, I've never actually used the stuff, so can't answer that question. Going to make a trip to Tandy soon, so I may look into it while I'm there!

[Dun]

8 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

Just before I go any further I've done a rough sketch of the sizes you've given and this is a fair bit different than your earlier sketches proportionally. If you are OK with this I will carry on. Brian

Yeah that looks good. I exaggerated the design in the original too much

[RockyAussie]

On 17/01/2018 at 9:15 AM, Dun said:

Yeah all hand tools here, and not many of them yet.

Well....here it is. A bag with no skiving and no stitching and about as simple to make for a beginner as I could design. I apologise for taking this long to get back to this but I have had trouble with a neighbours bull destroying fences to get at my cows. This has led to me having to do a lot of new fencing (about 2miles or more) to give more separation.

After checking your profile I came to the conclusion that you would need a very easy project to start with and came up with the following design. It is a fair bit of a variation from your original but is the same size and can hold a phone in the middle etc. If you would like to to try it I will make a rough up version to iron out any faults that it may have. (There normally are some). You will note that I have not done this pattern with zips as they are a pain to stitch in by hand until you have a lot of practice doing them and zips generally restrict the opening room a lot as well. A picture below should show better what I mean. The pattern can be altered to put in zips as I have done in the double flap bag pictured below if you really want it that way. The pdf file may show the picture better than the jpeg. double clutch bag.pdf

Note in this first picture at top left there is a piece  that shows a red line around it.This piece is to glue on to the flap and give weight for the flap to hang well and also hide the magnets if you were to decide on using them. The magnets don't show on the outer front. The straps rivet on at the bottom tabs and feed up through the gussets thereby holding all of it together. Fortunately @motocouture has been working on a purse that I think she is doing very well on and it shows the second cutting around step that helps in getting a nice and true finish. The red line shows the first cut size. I pinched a pic of her work and is shown below for this purpose..

Picture showing access problem with zip.

Same bag showing how I got the zip to be extended and come down the side.

This pic shows the other side of the bag with a covering flap as well.

Another bag design I do with same sort zip surround but with out the flaps.

I noticed you asking if a simple soldering iron would help with the edge coat finishing process and for me the answer is yes. I have been using one with a light dimmer switch for about 20 + years now. (They fry themselves every 10 years or so) Way way before I ever heard of these fancy filotuse things though. Note in the background where Martin is ironing a belt you can see the dimmer switch set up.

Here is a pic showing a lighter weight piece I am ironing in.

It has now just stopped raining and guess what I gotta now do more of..........

Brian

 

 

[Dun]

Thanks brian! Good luck with the bull! No worries on time, I am so very thankful already. I appreciate everything you've done and are willing to do for others

Some more info if it helps

-my wife hates non zippered, so I will definitely have to start practicing before this purse.

-I really don't mind hand stitching, I'm just not very good at keeping the awl aligned for the rear of the stitches

-your bags look amazing!

-Did you see my critique thread? I need a lot of practice at a lot of things so I'll be trying some smaller projects to get better before I cut up large enough pieces for this purse

- this design has 2 straps?

-love the phone pocket. I hadn't even considered rivets for that part but it makes a lot of sense. 

-the design kind of reminds me of the convention bag I made to get artist signatures, before I learned how to stitch anything, so i designed it around existing light weight comic boxes

-I'll look out for a dimmer switch!

 

If you really do want to try a mock up that would be amazing!

 

Mike

[RockyAussie]

2 hours ago, Dun said:

-the design kind of reminds me of the convention bag I made to get artist signatures, before I learned how to stitch anything, so i designed it around existing light weight comic boxes

Wow that is so amazing and similar and functional as well.

2 hours ago, Dun said:

-Did you see my critique thread? I need a lot of practice at a lot of things so I'll be trying some smaller projects to get better before I cut up large enough pieces for this purse

I had not seen that post and am glad to see you are getting the stitching sorted out and some good lessons learnt as well.

2 hours ago, Dun said:

-your bags look amazing!

Thank you.... I've had a bit of practice.

2 hours ago, Dun said:

my wife hates non zippered, so I will definitely have to start practicing before this purse.

A divorce out of the question? . The attaching together of the 2 sides could be done with stitching instead of the rivets of course and could be done nicely with pockets sewn in as well if you can line them up on either side and get that awl to go straight. Getting gussets the right length as you now know is not all that easy with leather and with this design you don't have that worry. At any rate I will do up a zipper top version as well.

2 hours ago, Dun said:

- this design has 2 straps?

Now your starting to worry me....yes, but 1 strap could be dived into 2 if you prefer. The intricacies such as adjustment buckles and lid shapes and so on are all things that I would expect you to adjust and do to your own liking. I don't like the lid shape myself and would prefer a squarer style flap. The strap width in the drawing is 1" (25mm) wide. This allows for common bag buckles for adjustment if desired.

I will check back tomorrow. Brian

[motocouture]

Thanks, Brian! I’m always amazed at how cleanly and quickly you whip up bag designs!

good luck with the fencing   once those bulls get in their head to go a-visiting.....

[RockyAussie]

20 minutes ago, motocouture said:

Thanks, Brian! I’m always amazed at how cleanly and quickly you whip up bag designs!

good luck with the fencing   once those bulls get in their head to go a-visiting.....

Thanks for the compliment. I would love to see one of these lace together styles made up even if only a single side. I reckon you would make a hell of a nice one and I would be happy to draft it up if you want to change the sizes a bit. .

[Dun]

On 1/17/2018 at 3:18 AM, RockyAussie said:

 

 

 

What is this edge type called again? And any tips on how to practice it?

[motocouture]

On 2/3/2018 at 10:14 PM, RockyAussie said:

Thanks for the compliment. I would love to see one of these lace together styles made up even if only a single side. I reckon you would make a hell of a nice one and I would be happy to draft it up if you want to change the sizes a bit. .

Happy to give it a shot! Just need to finish my clutch first lol 

[RockyAussie]

13 hours ago, Dun said:

 

What is this edge type called again? And any tips on how to practice it?

Hi Dun, I have no idea what name you would call this style of gusset. I think I normally refer to them as bar..s ..turds or something like that. I have quite a few of these bags on order, as always so I will take a few pictures this weekend which may help you some. I normally only make these up once a year or so.