What are these 2 machines called?

[Silverd]

I have a Landis 5 in 1 that I use to skive 2.5 mm veg tan and thicker..  When I purchased this vintage machine it was advertised as reconditioned.  It had been repainted but not reconditioned. I dismantled, cleaned and properly lubricated the components before reassembling.  I own a Tormek blade sharpening system and hollow ground the skiving blade to factory specs which is 10 deg each side.  The blade being made of a high carbon content steel took an edge very well and slices through leather effortlessly.  The machine can be set up to edge skive exactly how I like up to about 1.5" wide.  The top feed roller has traction grooves which will leave an imprint.  To deal with this I place a sheet of paper on top of the leather when that surface will show in the final work.  To successfully use the machine for shape cutting or slitting leather two things should be present. A non serrated cutting wheel and an edge guide attachment.  The guide can be fashioned easily if not included and the cutting wheels are available through Landis international in Canada for around  $100.00. Talk to Patrick.

If you actually buy a Landis 5 in one or 3 in one,  I recommend it be in good original unreconditioned condition as I don' think most folks really understand how to successfully do this work yet want to charge for it.  I also purchased a refirbished American Co spitter that was refurbished and it was much the same.

Hope this helps

Silverd

 

 

Edited June 5, 2018 by Silverd
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[Aven]

1 hour ago, Silverd said:

I have a Landis 5 in 1 that I use to skive 2.5 mm veg tan and thicker..  When I purchased this vintage machine it was advertised as reconditioned.  It had been repainted but not reconditioned. I dismantled, cleaned and properly lubricated the components before reassembling.  I own a Tormek blade sharpening system and hollow ground the skiving blade to factory specs which is 10 deg each side.  The blade being made of a high carbon content steel took an edge very well and slices through leather effortlessly.  The machine can be set up to edge skive exactly how I like up to about 1.5" wide.  The top feed roller has traction grooves which will leave an imprint.  To deal with this I place a sheet of paper on top of the leather when that surface will show in the final work.  To successfully use the machine for shape cutting or slitting leather two things should be present. A non serrated cutting wheel and an edge guide attachment.  The guide can be fashioned easily if not included and the cutting wheels are available through Landis international in Canada for around  $100.00. Talk to Patrick.

If you actually buy a Landis 5 in one or 3 in one,  I recommend it be in good original unreconditioned condition as I don' think most folks really understand how to successfully do this work yet want to charge for it.  I also purchased a refirbished American Co spitter that was refurbished and it was much the same.

Hope this helps

Silverd

 

 

Silverd, any chance you have a manual for the 5 in 1?  I've look high and low for one and have come up empty handed.

[Silverd]

Ive read them on line but I didn't down load it.  That's where I got the 10 degree each side skiver blade angle info.  I think you contact Patrick at Landis International.  He may have something.  Fyi.  What I read did not include much set up info.  

Landis has truely refirbished 3 n 1 machines for sale but all things considered a Chinese Fortuna style machine really is a better way to go.

Siverd

[RockyAussie]

7 hours ago, Silverd said:

all things considered a Chinese Fortuna style machine really is a better way to go.

I have to agree. I still have some of the Landis rough rounder and skiving machinery and never use them these days.They are very good if you want to cut hard sole leather but pretty rough for most leatherwork IMHO. For cutting knife sheaths I usually cut to shape one side first then attach the top side oversize and then trim it to size. A follow up sand and its done. Here a tube video I did awhile back and theres a couple more might pay to check out as well-

 

[David Bruce]

On 6/6/2018 at 5:01 AM, RockyAussie said:

I have to agree. I still have some of the Landis rough rounder and skiving machinery and never use them these days.They are very good if you want to cut hard sole leather but pretty rough for most leatherwork IMHO. For cutting knife sheaths I usually cut to shape one side first then attach the top side oversize and then trim it to size. A follow up sand and its done. Here a tube video I did awhile back and theres a couple more might pay to check out as well-

 

I have a couple questions for you regarding Fortuna parts. First, what presser feet do you recommend? Second, where can I find replacement belts? Thanks in advance.

[Silverd]

Nice work.  Ive watched this before.  I use my 5 in 1 but only the skiver to prep 10-12oz harness straps for buckle returns.  It must say it works well for that.  Limited applications otherwise.

 

Silverd

[RockyAussie]

On 06/07/2018 at 10:50 AM, David Bruce said:

I have a couple questions for you regarding Fortuna parts. First, what presser feet do you recommend? Second, where can I find replacement belts? Thanks in advance.

Hey David, Congratulations on your excellent purchase decision with a Fortuna. As I am way over the other side of the pond where I get parts for them would not be much use to you. I would recommend you to have a look on this Campbell Randall page.  https://campbell-randall.com/shop/fav-fratelli-alberti?page=2

I have a FAV AV2 machine that the presser feet and many other  parts can interchange with on the Fortuna.  I tend to make up my own presser feet rollers etc but the 30mm roller FAV -1498C at the top of the page on this link would be a good start I think. I would get a new belt that runs the sharpening stone while I as it, as they wear out occasionally and it pays to have a spare ready when you need it. Lastly just a tip if you are wanting to do any very thin soft leather ...after sharpening get a strip of mellow veg and very very slowly run it through a skive. This cleans up any fine roughness and is a bit like stropping the blade. Have fun.

Brian

[David Bruce]

On 7/7/2018 at 12:24 AM, RockyAussie said:

Hey David, Congratulations on your excellent purchase decision with a Fortuna. As I am way over the other side of the pond where I get parts for them would not be much use to you. I would recommend you to have a look on this Campbell Randall page.  https://campbell-randall.com/shop/fav-fratelli-alberti?page=2

I have a FAV AV2 machine that the presser feet and many other  parts can interchange with on the Fortuna.  I tend to make up my own presser feet rollers etc but the 30mm roller FAV -1498C at the top of the page on this link would be a good start I think. I would get a new belt that runs the sharpening stone while I as it, as they wear out occasionally and it pays to have a spare ready when you need it. Lastly just a tip if you are wanting to do any very thin soft leather ...after sharpening get a strip of mellow veg and very very slowly run it through a skive. This cleans up any fine roughness and is a bit like stropping the blade. Have fun.

Brian

Brian, Thanks for the tips. I sent an email to Fortuna and will give Campbell a call once I hear back. I've been looking for one of these machines for quite awhile and am very pleased to finally own one, (with the aspirator dust collector no less). I've only had it a few days and so far it's done great with the light weight leathers that I've put through it (Horween's bison, chromexcel and buccaneer). I do want a steel feed roll and a roller presser foot for it though. I have the original manual and spare parts list which lists many versions of these so hopefully, Fortuna can clarify what I need. My machine is a 50SAG3.

[Trox]

On 6/6/2018 at 12:01 PM, RockyAussie said:

I have to agree. I still have some of the Landis rough rounder and skiving machinery and never use them these days.They are very good if you want to cut hard sole leather but pretty rough for most leatherwork IMHO. For cutting knife sheaths I usually cut to shape one side first then attach the top side oversize and then trim it to size. A follow up sand and its done. Here a tube video I did awhile back and theres a couple more might pay to check out as well-

 

Hi, is it your machine in the video? You are wild Harry? I'm looking for a wide guide like the one on you skiver. That roller foot also looks good, I got one that came with my machine but it's pretty worn out. Where did you get this. Thanks Tor

[TomE]

9 hours ago, Trox said:

Hi, is it your machine in the video? You are wild Harry? I'm looking for a wide guide like the one on you skiver. That roller foot also looks good, I got one that came with my machine but it's pretty worn out. Where did you get this. Thanks Tor

Fratelli Alberti (FAV) has a wide guide https://www.fratellialberti.com/en/spare-parts/1244/ and a 30 mm roller foot https://www.fratellialberti.com/en/34-mm-presser-feet/1498-c/ .  The FAV parts that I've purchased through Campbell-Randall have been a good fit for my Techsew SK-4 bell skiver.