Questions - Shotgun cartridge belt

[plinkercases]

CAS ammo belts and slides also tend to sit the shells higher on the belt so they actaully have a portion of the shell above the top of the belt so you can slip your thumb in behind two shells at a time. The strip below helps ensure tue high seat. For any other range, hunting or non loading spead related discipline I think the rule generally is to seat the shell a firmly as is functional so loops or pockets alone can do the trick to the shooters personal preference.

[Riem]

9 hours ago, dikman said:

Riem, you could also use slightly elasticated webbing instead of leather, then you wouldn't need the strip underneath?

Friend is also a bit of a leather aficionado, and has stated his preference for an "all leather" shell belt. I do have webbing available but he'll be disappointed and probably not use the belt. Besides, I'd like to give it a go with leather.

[Riem]

6 hours ago, plinkercases said:

CAS ammo belts and slides also tend to sit the shells higher on the belt so they actaully have a portion of the shell above the top of the belt so you can slip your thumb in behind two shells at a time. The strip below helps ensure tue high seat. For any other range, hunting or non loading spead related discipline I think the rule generally is to seat the shell a firmly as is functional so loops or pockets alone can do the trick to the shooters personal preference.

He needs the belt mainly for clay pigeon shooting, where speed is definitely an issue so the requirement for the shells to ride high is there. I've had a look at a few commercially available belts from both a local manufacturer and of Chinese import. Both were advertised as "action shooting" belts and both had the stop strip below the loops. Even though it will be a lot of stitching I think I'll add the strip.

[VMX]

There is such option ...

 

[Riem]

8 hours ago, VMX said:

There is such option ...

 

Wow, that's an interesting design - it's a pity I've cut the leather already else I might just have gone for such a type of construction. The scan is a bit small, and I can't figure out the 5th diagram from the right?

[dikman]

Looks like it's "double-stacked" in the 3rd and 4th pics. That's an interesting idea, I'm trying to get my head around it and wondering how (or if) it would work for CAS.

[plinkercases]

My read of the CAS rules is that it would not be allowed as the loops would not be in a "single row" and not of a tradition design and the rule about slides over loops may imply no layering...and most clearly the ammo loops can't move the ammo out from the body as the double stack does here. (interestingly enough for many of us once you put the ammo belt below your belly button everything tilts out BUT at least is still conforming to the bodies contour... loop hole there... hee hee)

... I also think functionally it wont work as the rows would interfere with the retrieval of each other even if you dropped the front row down..

• Ammunition required for reloads during the course of any stage must be carried on the shooter’s person in a bandoleer, cartridge/shotshell belt loop, pouch, holster, or pocket or be safely staged as required by stage instructions. Leather belt slide ammo loops are acceptable; however, shotgun shell slides may not be worn over shotgun loops on an ammo belt. Shotgun loops must be in a single row. Rifle and revolver ammunition may not be carried in a shotshell loop. No ammunition may be carried in the mouth, ears, nose, cleavage, or any other bodily orifice.
• Bandoleers, cartridge belts, and pouches must be of traditional design (e.g., bandoleers must be loose and not secured in any way to prevent movement). Modern drop pouches, combat style shotgun loops, wrist or forearm bandoleers, and such are not allowed. Pouches shall have a flap and must carry their contents loose, with no special provisions to organize the contents for rapid retrieval. .
• Cartridge loops must not have a metal or plastic liner. However, the entire loop may be made of metal

• • Shotgun ammo loops may not accommodate more than two rounds per loop, and rifle/revolver ammo loops shall accommodate only one round per loop.

  • Ammo belts must be worn so all ammo is positioned at or below the belly button.

  • Shotgun ammo loops must conform to the shooters contour (i.e., not tilt out from the belt).

  • Cartridge loops mounted on a firearm’s stock or forearm, are not allowed.

[dikman]

The "single row" bit seems to rule out double-stacking. If not for this I think it could work if there was a gap between each double stack, although it might be a bit of a challenge to actually make!

As for the tilting part, Red Cent has posted a solution to this somewhere on here which effectively angles the loops out slightly, and he has had it confirmed that it doesn't breach any rules.

[chrisash]

Off the subject a bit, but I am confused by all this

I shoot clay's in both sporting and skeet in the UK and nobody ever uses a shotgun belt , just either a pocket or a belt attached pouch that holds the cartridges

The only people who use a cartridge belt is for  walk up shoots and wildfowlers

What is different in the USA

[VMX]

I am sorry... I proposed a variant of the cell with the bottom.

At 5 position--the triangular head nail rivet.