Is it a good choice? Seiko CH8B cylinder bed

[Ehgreen]

Hi, I have very limited knowledge of machines, hope someone here can help me out, thank you very much for your time.

 

 I mainly use 0.3-1.2cm leather to make Leather bags and small leather accessories, was wondering if Seiko CH8B is the right machine? How is the quality of the machine? Has anyone used it before?

 

Also the seller has been selling the machineAUD$3500 for 3 months but didn’t make it. I just put an offer of $2500, he then asked for $3000, is the price ok? 
 

Pls see description and pics:

 

Extra Heavy walking foot cylinder arm industrial sewing machine
Made in Japan
RRP $8795
Little use
Comes with 8’x4’ table to convert the cylinder bed in to a flat bed sewing machine
 

[aroh99]

This machine looks similar to the 441. If you are not sewing heavy duty items this might not be for you. This machine if for heavy leather like gun belts and holsters. For bags i would recommend a lighter duty cylinder machine. For the price he is asking you can buy a new 441 clone at least in the U.S. im sure you can have one of the big companys that ship to you.  My 2 cents but to each his own.

[Wizcrafts]

We have several industrial sewing machine dealers in Australia who are contributing members in this forum. All of them deal in leather sewing machines.

[Ehgreen]

43 minutes ago, aroh99 said:

This machine looks similar to the 441. If you are not sewing heavy duty items this might not be for you. This machine if for heavy leather like gun belts and holsters. For bags i would recommend a lighter duty cylinder machine. For the price he is asking you can buy a new 441 clone at least in the U.S. im sure you can have one of the big companys that ship to you.  My 2 cents but to each his own.

Hi aroh09, thanks for your feedback, do you have any recommendations for brand or model?

41 minutes ago, Wizcrafts said:

We have several industrial sewing machine dealers in Australia who are contributing members in this forum. All of them deal in leather sewing machines.

Hi wiz, I will definitely check on it, thank you.

[Uwe]

That flatbed table sure is bigger than mine! 

Seiko makes good machines. A good used original (Juki,Seiko,Adler,Pfaff,etc.) is worth as much as a new clone - and will likely hold its value better, at least in my book. 

The 441 is the more popular design, more people have experience with it, and you may have an easier time finding help, parts, and accessories for it.

Most people cannot tell if a stitch line was made on an original or a clone, but some people find working with originals more enjoyable and rewarding.

 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Uwe

[aroh99]

Like wiz stated if you have someone near you i would go with them. Save money on shipping. All those companys are great techsew, cobra , cowboy. They stand behind there products. Im sure you will find something in Australia. If you arent doing heavy work. The techsew 2700 or a cowboy 3200 are good medium machines. They will sew up to 3/8 and 1/2inches thick. Even the gun belts i sew are about 1/4 or 5/16 inches thick. Never had to sew anything thicker.  I think those 2 machines are great options to if you wont be sewing anything super heavy. 

[dikman]

I couldn't find a huge amount of info on it but the specs I did find indicate it's pretty close to a 441-type machine - which is heavy duty! It might be a bit too much for what you're doing. You didn't mention what size thread you're using.

The RRP of $8700 is really pretty irrelevant in this case, as it's only worth what someone is prepared to pay, and considering a new Cowboy 4500 is about $4500 here in Oz if he hasn't sold it in 3 months then it's obvious that he's asking too much. It's the sort of machine I'd like, but not at that price. Plus it's got a clutch motor (!) which to me is a negative factor (as in more expense to fit a servo).

[RockyAussie]

Not sure where in QLD you are but I have a 441 type machine here as well as a stack of other probably more suitable size machines you are welcome to come and try out and see what they do if you want. I am near to Rockhampton. I suspect the size machine that would be more suitable for your needs would be in the 335 style but would not be sure without seeing some pictures of the type of stuff you want to make. 0.3-1.2cm leather is an extreme variation and I doubt you would often need to go that thick on the type of products you mention.

[Ehgreen]

11 hours ago, Uwe said:

That flatbed table sure is bigger than mine! 

Seiko makes good machines. A good used original (Juki,Seiko,Adler,Pfaff,etc.) is worth as much as a new clone - and will likely hold its value better, at least in my book. 

The 441 is the more popular design, more people have experience with it, and you may have an easier time finding help, parts, and accessories for it.

Most people cannot tell if a stitch line was made on an original or a clone, but some people find working with originals more enjoyable and rewarding.

 

Does 441 mean Juki441?

I totally agree with you, for the same price I prefer an used but well made machine, at first I bought an Adler 169-737? from the uk when I was there, the dealer dismantled the machine and post it to au in 3boxes, but there were parts lost and broken on its way which I didn’t even notice then, so now, the machine has been at a mechanic’s place for a few months, cost more then$1k to repair and get a new motor( the old one apparently doesn’t suit au standard) such a big headache! Plus I am really in need a machine to sew my sample bags... this time I will choose carfully, best to purchase one from local I think.

[Ehgreen]

12 hours ago, aroh99 said:

Like wiz stated if you have someone near you i would go with them. Save money on shipping. All those companys are great techsew, cobra , cowboy. They stand behind there products. Im sure you will find something in Australia. If you arent doing heavy work. The techsew 2700 or a cowboy 3200 are good medium machines. They will sew up to 3/8 and 1/2inches thick. Even the gun belts i sew are about 1/4 or 5/16 inches thick. Never had to sew anything thicker.  I think those 2 machines are great options to if you wont be sewing anything super heavy. 

 

 

Yes we have cowboy dealers here, I will keep it in my mind. Thanks.