JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Just got my hands on this beauty, gonna pick it up next week...a leather perforator to punch decorative holes/ patterns in shoe uppers (as used on classic "english" brogue, derby etc.). Brand name is "Ideal", late 50's I guess. Does anyone know this one or has experience/ manual on hand? There have been similar machines by Peerless, Albeko and USM. Edited August 17, 2018 by JoergFBernhard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodneywt1180b Report post Posted August 19, 2018 I can't help you but what a great find! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 19, 2018 5 hours ago, rodneywt1180b said: I can't help you but what a great find! Haha, thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt S Report post Posted August 19, 2018 Very tidy machine Joerg. BUSM used to make a machine of similar purpose (probably at a similar timeframe) to your machine. However they need a thick paper tape into which the machine punches, which hasn't been sold for decades, so I've never bought one. That, and I don't make shoes... A video of your newly acquired iron beast would be very interesting once you lay hands on it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Matt S said: Very tidy machine Joerg. BUSM used to make a machine of similar purpose (probably at a similar timeframe) to your machine. However they need a thick paper tape into which the machine punches, which hasn't been sold for decades, so I've never bought one. That, and I don't make shoes... A video of your newly acquired iron beast would be very interesting once you lay hands on it! Hi Matt, thanks for your reply! As far as I know this one doesn't need that kind of tape. And yes, this one seems in a very nice condition. The owner (an elder lady who ran the factory) told me it was still in use till they shut down their shoe production 10 years ago. Will keep you posted once it's here! There are still many machines there for sale, they basically locked the factory years ago and everything remained untouched till they started to sell few weeks ago... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 29, 2018 On 19.8.2018 at 12:18 PM, Matt S said: Very tidy machine Joerg. BUSM used to make a machine of similar purpose (probably at a similar timeframe) to your machine. However they need a thick paper tape into which the machine punches, which hasn't been sold for decades, so I've never bought one. That, and I don't make shoes... A video of your newly acquired iron beast would be very interesting once you lay hands on it! Hi Matt, I finally hauled the iron beauty to my workshop...it is really in great condition and came with lots of punching tools. I only had to change the plug (sure, clean and oil a bit) and now it runs smoothly! Here some more pics, just I don't know how to upload a video because of the size of the file... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, JoergFBernhard said: Hi Matt, I finally hauled the iron beauty to my workshop...it is really in great condition and came with lots of punching tools. I only had to change the plug (sure, clean and oil a bit) and now it runs smoothly! Here some more pics, just I don't know how to upload a video because of the size of the file... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoutmom103 Report post Posted August 29, 2018 Wow. Can't wait to see a video of it in use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauls Leather Report post Posted August 29, 2018 Wow. I want one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 30, 2018 22 hours ago, Pauls Leather said: Wow. I want one. Hm, not easy to find, seems these are VERY RARE...haven't found ANYTHING on the web, no photo, not even the brandname... I just got lucky, bought this one for EUR 50,00 including all tools... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt S Report post Posted August 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, JoergFBernhard said: Hm, not easy to find, seems these are VERY RARE...haven't found ANYTHING on the web, no photo, not even the brandname... I just got lucky, bought this one for EUR 50,00 including all tools... Blimey, I'll have to rent a truck I think... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Matt S said: Blimey, I'll have to rent a truck I think... Haha, you need I make an appointment for you at that factory??! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SolarLeatherMachines Report post Posted August 30, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 7:21 AM, JoergFBernhard said: Wow! What a gem of a find! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodneywt1180b Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Looking again and thinking about it a bit, I can see all sorts of things being made, not just shoes, with that edge detail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, rodneywt1180b said: Looking again and thinking about it a bit, I can see all sorts of things being made, not just shoes, with that edge detail. That's right, I can see bags and all kind of strappy leather goods using perforation (bracelets, guitar straps)...also there are more punching tools to get a different look and design of the perforated ornaments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisash Report post Posted August 30, 2018 Does it use a Jacquard system of cardboard instructions just like the fairground organs of old Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoergFBernhard Report post Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, chrisash said: Does it use a Jacquard system of cardboard instructions just like the fairground organs of old Chris, interesting idea! But no, you use your hands to manoeuvre the leather pieces and press the foot pedal to let the motor move the punching head up and down while the lower transport wheel in the plate moves the pieces forward, very much like a sewing machine. But nice comparison with the fairground organ, I think a similar system had been used for embroidery machines? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScoobyNewbie Report post Posted August 31, 2018 Cute as a bug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybopp Report post Posted August 31, 2018 That's one cool machine! Kinda makes me wonder if one could get a cheap old sewing machine and somehow modify it to do much the same thing .... Hmmmmmmmmm - Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rodneywt1180b Report post Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) I think you probably could for smaller single holes. The trouble would be the tooling. A punch to attach to the needle bar and a matching die under it. A domestic machine probably wouldn't be sturdy enough. *EDIT* I don't see a matching die under the punch. Maybe the die isn't needed. You would still need to figure out where the pieces punched out go and how to space the holes far enough apart. A standard sewing machine probably wouldn't have a long enough stitch length. Edited August 31, 2018 by rodneywt1180b Not sure original thought would work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
