Members RusticLeatherShop Posted September 23, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 4 hours ago, chrisash said: make them the best that they can for the price I dont believe it's the best for the Price. These are more likely imported from Brazil. Sewing machines sellers told me they use at least 4 different type of sewing machines to make those shoes. I dont have them all 4 so the cause is not "rushing". These shoes indeed use 2 lines of what Looks Tex 92 bonded Nylon thread and are reinforced with #277 bonded Nylon thread. Insole and upper leather are sewin together from the inside and on top upper leather is sewn to the sole horizontally and then the outer sole is sewn again (no nails) with an heavy thread. So at least 4 different machines were used there indicating it's made in an bigger factory and not an small familiar shop. How much would you guess the Price or be willing to pay? If These showed up in the USA how much would they be priced?
Members Constabulary Posted September 23, 2018 Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 What is your background or what do you want to do at all? Do you run a business or want to run a business? Repair things, making phone cases, holsters or shoes? ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members RusticLeatherShop Posted September 23, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Constabulary said: What is your background or what do you want to do at all? Do you run a business or want to run a business? Repair things, making phone cases, holsters or shoes? I run a small diary farm in the country in Southamerica and am of an german white minority here (German first tongue, Spanish second tongue, English third tongue). I started with leather since I could never find some really proper holsters, pouches and the like and bought an Cowboy 4500 machine. Since then I start to get into the leather business. I have covered all my own leather needs and want to make and sell now to others. Basically anything what allows me to offset a bit the expenses I made for the machine is welcome.
Rockoboy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Posted September 23, 2018 14 hours ago, RusticLeatherShop said: Estimate the Price please! Impossible to estimate what I might be willing to pay for these boots from looking at your pic. Could be anywhere from $20USD to $100USD in my country and bearing in mind our economy. In your country, that cost might be a months wages, I have no idea. Once again, you have posed a question that is unanswerable. Kindest regards Brian "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you are right" Henry Ford Machines: Singer 201p, Kennedy, Singer 31K20, Singer 66K16 ("boat anchor" condition), Protex TY8B Cylinder Arm (Consew 227r copy), Unbranded Walking Foot (Sailrite LSV-1 copy)
Members RusticLeatherShop Posted September 23, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Rockoboy said: Once again, you have posed a question that is unanswerable. That problem had the soviets as well since they never really knew how to price an item. Seems that a price is somewhat relative and more related to the need of the demand (like high beef prices or high wheat prices since people HAVE to eat bread and meat). Holsters, wallets, smartphone cases, flashlight holder, etc are not essentially needed and so are a kind of an luxury good. Maybe smartphone cases are an exception since everybody has an smartphone today.
Rockoboy Posted September 23, 2018 Report Posted September 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, RusticLeatherShop said: That problem had the soviets as well since they never really knew how to price an item. The main problem in posing a question such as this is, each different area or country has a different cost of living, wages structure etc. I earn $22+ per hour plus penalties for nightshift, weekends, public holidays etc. In some countries $22 is a weeks wages. There is no way to compare what I would pay for a pair of shoes, smartphone case or a loaf of bread etc, with what you would pay. Even after considering different countries, there are obvious class differences within each country. Some person who will pay $500US for a pair of shoes could be standing beside when I pay $3.00 for a loaf of bread. I would never pay $500 for a pair of shoes, but he would buy the bread for $3.00. Possibly in your country, the $500USD shoes are still $500USD, but your bread may be $1.00 or less, so there is no comparison between economies. ( I have seen this exact scenario in a foreign country). As I said previously, if you want to know what something is worth, ask your peers and customers in your own country, and also people who are close to your economical situation. Kindest regards Brian "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you are right" Henry Ford Machines: Singer 201p, Kennedy, Singer 31K20, Singer 66K16 ("boat anchor" condition), Protex TY8B Cylinder Arm (Consew 227r copy), Unbranded Walking Foot (Sailrite LSV-1 copy)
Members RusticLeatherShop Posted September 23, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 For reference: over here an hours minimal wages is 1.6 US$.
Members chrisash Posted September 23, 2018 Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 You brought a cowboy 4500 at great expense when you could have brought a lower cost leather machine to do the work it looks like you do, yet you talk about having no money and nobody can afford to by slightly better items from you. you are a confusing person thats for sure Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
Members battlemunky Posted September 23, 2018 Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 You are wasting your time guys.....he isn't interested in anything but arguing and trying to have people tell him prices/criticize other's prices. Disagree with him, you are a bully. Try to help him, you are ignored. Try to tell him he needs some tools or supplies and you get called a douchebag forum troll. Tell him what he wants to hear. Allow me to illustrate: I'd give $60 US for those shoes, regardless of market or brand and maybe $20 or so more if they are "rustic". Maybe if they have some crooked and weak sewing, I'd go as high as $83.50, unless the seller has to justify buying a machine he had no idea how to use, then $84 even. Now if they had some shoddily sewn nylon edge piping that was used to hide inept edge work, that's a whole different story, at least $85.
Members RusticLeatherShop Posted September 23, 2018 Author Members Report Posted September 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, battlemunky said: I'd go as high as $83.50, unless the seller has to justify buying a machine he had no idea how to use, then $84 even Thanks mucky, That's a honest reply. I could resell these on ebay or Etsy.com. Wanna order some? I'll sell them to you for 80$ + shipping. Maybe it'e more economical to resell things as to make them myself. The items I made for myself I am 100% happy with them and still holding strong despite most of them being made when I just started (as the video on Youtube is as well from the very beginning) and thus the leather is still split cow leather and not the full grain pig leather of recent times. Yes before I bought the machine I never had sewn before. When the CB4500 arrived, I set it up and the first sewing was an instant success. First try first success! I guess that's called a "natural talent".
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