Sheath knife

[D2G]

Hello friends!
I know that your are not here to think for me and make a sketch or develop an idea is hard and laborious. I have been asked to do this sheath work for this knife, the problem is the guard that's elevates it and I do not know what to do. Any ideas? Sorry I forgot, he wants all covered or near to the ball top.

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[alpha2]

Wet-mold? That's a tough one. I've not done one like that yet. I imagine someone on here has, though.

Jeff

[bikermutt07]

Are you saying he wants like a pioneer type sheath that wraps around the whole knife up to that pommel?

If so, that's probably not going to work. 

Tell him knife design dictates the sheath. 

This style knife is going to need a pancake or fold over type sheath that stops at the guard and maybe have a strap coming from behind across the guard and down onto the face of the sheath.

Plenty of people with more experience than I may chime in, but I think I'm on the right track?

[fredk]

When the ancients did a full cover sheath for this sort of knife it resembles in some ways a flattened funnel, not Y shaped but H shaped. The part for the blade like a regular sheath, the part for the grip could be wet moulded over a block of wood, not the grip itself

[Aven]

If you use rawhide (dog bones soaked and unknotted work a treat), you can mold it a bit at the guard to get some retention.

Found some pictures on Pinterest that look like what he  wants.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/610730399441753521

 

[zuludog]

Make a 2 part sheath - front & back; build up the lower part of the back, where the blade fits, with extra thicknesses of leather so there is a step at the hilt. Thus when viewed side on the knife will lie horizontally, and not tilt down towards the tip of the blade

This video shows exactly the sort of thing to do. It's a bit long, but well worth watching; it is a masterclass of sheath making

'Making a Leather Rat Cutlery RC - 3 Sheath' by Ian Atkinson

It would be difficult to make a sheath with that sort of step in it which would also cover the handle. As bikermutt07 states, the sheath design is dictated by the knife. I suppose you could try making a wooden pattern and some wet moulding

[D2G]

Thank you people, after when I have time I answer and put my idea. Basic is made 2 parts, one for Blade and other for the handle.

[battlemunky]

This is a tough one for sure. I'm thinking maybe it could be wet formed but getting it in and out would be tough if you don't have anything to hold onto due to the handle being mostly covered up. Also, it may look a bit different than anything I've ever seen.

I agree with a few of the other folks, may need to go back to him and let him know it is more of the knife's decision what the sheath will end up being. 

Did he say why he wants it covered? Maybe there is a different way of giving him what he wants without a sheath. Maybe a hybrid sheath/pouch or something? Make a pouch with a scabbard in the bottom that the blade will rest in but have ample coverage and the ability to pull the knife when needed?

Anyway, good luck and let us know what you come up with

[D2G]

Ok I'm here again
I read (translate with goog ... all your comments), so I'll put $ 5 to the final price of this knife, ha ha. Thank you all of you.
Hope answer all of you with this.

The boss of the knife do not explain me exactly what he wan, just says me, make me a sheath for this knife, speaking with he we concluded with prolongation tipical of the bottom or back part of the handle, like this Picture 1 but not like that Picture 2

So my idea after seeing many pictures and some parts of Atkinson videos (long long videos, Ian cheers) is like a Sandwich or this Picture 3, and after I do the part for the extension of the handle.

I think it's the best idea for this job because the guard top (middle moon of metal) is horrible.
Thank you leatherworkers and I'll try to show off the finally job.

Edited October 8, 2018 by D2G

[battlemunky]

Oh yes then, that'll be totally doable then, far easier that way. Also, that sheath with the back piece and the retaining strap has the retaining strap set far too high to be safe. Set yours lower. If the knife bounces out, a strap that high allows for a lot more blade to be exposed and ups the chance of a cut where a lower strap keeps the likelihood of the blade bouncing out and exposing blade far less. It is far safer with a lower strap.

[olfart]

I added a tapered welt to my sheath for the same reason.  My knife handle and guard are too thick for the knife to sit flat in a sheath.  Here's what it looks like.

 

[D2G]

Thank you every...

That's I do for the momment, (attached pic). This days I don't have many soul and don't wanna make mistakes. Well, I was also thinking all about and I will make a basket weave and a carved boar footprint.

[Gabriel Rasa]

I've done many welted sheaths that address the exact problem you're talking about -- if you want the handle to lay flat against the backing, you need a layer of leather the depth of the handle, that goes between the blade and the base to act as a riser. You do wind up with a lot of layers, but it fits the knife like a glove, and if you want it to taper, you can always skive the layers down as you go toward the tip (a belt sander is very helpful for getting a smooth gradient on this) -- or just be lazy and let it stay massive all the way down.

Looking a bit worse for the wear after a few years, but here's one the first ones I did:

Edited October 23, 2018 by Gabriel Rasa

[battlemunky]

That looks really well done @Gabriel Rasa.