finishes

[utah leather]

what is the difference between fiebings water based dyes and acrylic dyes ? How well do they hold up on full grain work belts ?

[ScoobyNewbie]

I’m not sure, but I think acrylic dyes are acrylic paints. At Tandy we have water based dyes, water based acrylics, alcohol based dyes and oil based dyes. Acrylics have to be sealed in order not to crack with movement or bending. 

[utah leather]

2 hours ago, ScoobyNewbie said:

I’m not sure, but I think acrylic dyes are acrylic paints. At Tandy we have water based dyes, water based acrylics, alcohol based dyes and oil based dyes. Acrylics have to be sealed in order not to crack with movement or bending. 

thank you, I was reading about water based dyes, it said that when they dry and you put on resolene over the top that the dye does not lift like it does with alcohol based dyes, have you heard of this ?

[alpha2]

I've used Resolene over both Pro Dye as well as stains. If the stains are allowed to dry thoroughly, and buffed well before applying the Resolene, the stain won't lift or streak, just don't over do it with the wiping. Resolene is actually acrylic. Hence the 50/50 water mix and thin coats routine. For me, the dyes penetrate deeper than the stains, so abrasions won't show the raw leather underneath. A good, heavy work belt is going to look like a good heavy work belt soon enough, anyway, right?

Jeff

[utah leather]

3 hours ago, bikermutt07 said:

I don't use water based dyes, but I think you might have this backwards. Or at least a little misconstrued.

I believe resolene will lift acrylic paints because it is spirit based. You would want to use a water based sealer on acrylics such as super sheen. Tankote and Bagkote may be water based as well, but I'm not sure. I haven't used them.

I don't know that resolene will lift water based dyes, as I have never used them.

Resolene is made for spirit based dyes.

A little extra info......

Pro Oil dye is a moniker used by fiebings that they are phasing out. Pro Dye and Pro Oil Dye are the same spirit based formula and the oil name is going away as stocks are depleted. As according to Fiebings a few years ago.

Fiebings normal dye is a slightly different spirit based formula with more colors available than the Pro Dye. I have heard people mention it doesn't go on as evenly as pro Dye, but I haven't noticed much of a difference. What I have noticed is it will leave somewhat of a metallic sheen after drying that needs to be buffed away.

Hope this helps, and anyone who knows more than me please feel free to correct me. I'm plenty humble.

sorry I hate to correct you but Resolene is water based, it is the only finish I have ever used over fiebings alcohol based dyes. This is the only dye/ finish coat I have used, I haven't tried any oil based dyes or water based dyes, or paints. That is why I am curious about the fiebings water based dyes ( not acrylic paints for leather ) .

[Mattsbagger]

I believe the water based dyes are eco dyes for markets like California. 

[bikermutt07]

3 hours ago, alpha2 said:

I've used Resolene over both Pro Dye as well as stains. If the stains are allowed to dry thoroughly, and buffed well before applying the Resolene, the stain won't lift or streak, just don't over do it with the wiping. Resolene is actually acrylic. Hence the 50/50 water mix and thin coats routine. For me, the dyes penetrate deeper than the stains, so abrasions won't show the raw leather underneath. A good, heavy work belt is going to look like a good heavy work belt soon enough, anyway, right?

Jeff

 

2 hours ago, utah leather said:

sorry I hate to correct you but Resolene is water based, it is the only finish I have ever used over fiebings alcohol based dyes. This is the only dye/ finish coat I have used, I haven't tried any oil based dyes or water based dyes, or paints. That is why I am curious about the fiebings water based dyes ( not acrylic paints for leather ) .

I stand totally corrected. I apologise for my misunderstanding. 

Thanks for the education.

I tried to edit my reply from earlier. All I could do was hide it. I think I only hid it from myself.

@wiz, could you delete my earlier post so people aren't misinformed by my ignorance. Thanks.

Edited January 20, 2019 by bikermutt07

[ScoobyNewbie]

I’ve been using the water based Eco flo and the waterstains here at Tandy. I haven’t really buffed either of them and I haven’t seen any “lifting” (do you mean that they come off on other materials if they aren’t buffed properly?).

My son made me 2 bracelets that I used satin sheen for a finish over Eco flo leather dye colors, and I made some bracelets that I just used the water stain on. No finish at all. Oh, and an Erica purse for the store. No finish at all. No buffing. No lifting. So, I would say that the water based Eco flo and waterstains don’t lift much at all as long as you let them dry for 24 hours. I don’t know how they do in the sun or in weather conditions. Still working on my purse from, like June. I’m thinking I will resolene it to water proof it. The new Neatlac is great for waterproofing, but unless your project is already a dark color, I probably wouldn’t use it. It left a dark color on the veggie tan strip that I used both resolene and Neatlac on for examples that I would be able to keep with me during the day.

They both waterproofed great.