DavidMillsSaddlery Report post Posted April 14, 2019 What or where does one find a sewing machine for sewing the leather welts onto a insole for new boot construction? Would want one that will do the popular 2 rows of sole stitching... so I’m guessing a wider leather welt would need to work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoepatcher Report post Posted April 15, 2019 shoe machines for sure Landis or McKay machines. Contact Gateway in St. Louis or Shoe Systems Plus in New York. glenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/14/2019 at 9:59 AM, turbotexas said: What or where does one find a sewing machine for sewing the leather welts onto a insole for new boot construction? Would want one that will do the popular 2 rows of sole stitching... so I’m guessing a wider leather welt would need to work? 3 hours ago, shoepatcher said: shoe machines for sure Landis or McKay machines. Contact Gateway in St. Louis or Shoe Systems Plus in New York. glenn Landis and McKay stitchers are needle and awl machines that sew one row of stitches. The OP is hunting for a Pegasus type sole stitcher that sews two parallel rows, like the Puritans do on show and boot UPPERS. To do two rows, one would need to find a custom builder, or have a Puritan post machine altered by a skilled machinist. If anybody sells a twin needle/awl sole stitcher, it would be one of the Canadian or German industrial sewing machine dealers. I was looking at shoe sole and edge stitching machines on a German website last week but can't figure out the spelling of their name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidMillsSaddlery Report post Posted April 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: Landis and McKay stitchers are needle and awl machines that sew one row of stitches. The OP is hunting for a Pegasus type sole stitcher that sews two parallel rows, like the Puritans do on show and boot UPPERS. To do two rows, one would need to find a custom builder, or have a Puritan post machine altered by a skilled machinist. If anybody sells a twin needle/awl sole stitcher, it would be one of the Canadian or German industrial sewing machine dealers. I was looking at shoe sole and edge stitching machines on a German website last week but can't figure out the spelling of their name. wo different machines! This is a good video and it shows the welt machine I’m looking for! I worked for this mans cousin Eli Rios in Mercedes, while he was associated with “Longhorns Boot Company” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 16, 2019 The insole was sewn on a chainstitch McKay stitcher and the outsole was sewn with a curved needle and awl lockstitch sole stitcher. Both only sew one stitch line at a time, with one needle and one awl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted April 16, 2019 @turbotexas You can gain insight from Lisa Sorrell's YouTube channel (It's a Boot Life) on boot making and her machines. She demonstrates insole and outsole stitching techniques. Lisa is also one of our advertisers for her boot making classes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Thanks for that, turbo, very interesting to see how they're made. Wiz, I just had a look at her site - there's an awful lot of videos to watch!!!!! Edited April 16, 2019 by dikman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidMillsSaddlery Report post Posted April 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: The insole was sewn on a chainstitch McKay stitcher and the outsole was sewn with a curved needle and awl lockstitch sole stitcher. Both only sew one stitch line at a time, with one needle and one awl. This doesn’t look like the one McKay I’ve ever laid eyes on? It has a roll of leather welt that feeds into the machine... this is not getting sewn through the sole, but only sewn sideways out the side of the sole... That Lisa lady hand sews her welt on.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arashikage Report post Posted April 16, 2019 You want a Goodyear Welt Stitcher. Used ones are super hard to find. These were used in the manufacturing area as opposed to the repair industry so there are fewer out there. And those that have them are most likely still using them. I don't know your budget but a new industrial machine will most likely be over $5000. You'll have to contact the companies to get prices because they don't even list them on their site.https://www.fiorettomacchine.it/en/component/jshopping/ews4-ht.html http://www.topeaglesewing.com/shoe-making-machine/shoe-sewing-machine/tsh-2619-double-needle-goodyear-welt-inseam.html http://www.goodyearweltmachinery.co.uk/newmachines.html http://www.usm-americas.com/shoe-machines/us-made.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidMillsSaddlery Report post Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, arashikage said: You want a Goodyear Welt Stitcher. Used ones are super hard to find. These were used in the manufacturing area as opposed to the repair industry so there are fewer out there. And those that have them are most likely still using them. I don't know your budget but a new industrial machine will most likely be over $5000. You'll have to contact the companies to get prices because they don't even list them on their site.https://www.fiorettomacchine.it/en/component/jshopping/ews4-ht.html http://www.topeaglesewing.com/shoe-making-machine/shoe-sewing-machine/tsh-2619-double-needle-goodyear-welt-inseam.html http://www.goodyearweltmachinery.co.uk/newmachines.html http://www.usm-americas.com/shoe-machines/us-made.html Goodyear made the leather welts? I didn’t know that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arashikage Report post Posted April 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, turbotexas said: Goodyear made the leather welts? I didn’t know that? Goodyear only made the machine to do it. Before that it was hand welted. That strip has always been called a welt, the only thing that changed was how it was attached. Goodyear Rubber used to be very heavy in the shoe business. They still are but the company has split that division off and is under a different name now I think. My family's business is actually called Goodyear Shoe Service. The original owner got permission from somebody at Goodyear Rubber to use the name because most of what he carried was Goodyear products. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidMillsSaddlery Report post Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, arashikage said: Goodyear only made the machine to do it. Before that it was hand welted. That strip has always been called a welt, the only thing that changed was how it was attached. Goodyear Rubber used to be very heavy in the shoe business. They still are but the company has split that division off and is under a different name now I think. My family's business is actually called Goodyear Shoe Service. The original owner got permission from somebody at Goodyear Rubber to use the name because most of what he carried was Goodyear products. Thank you! I’ll keep my eyes open for a machine! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BattleAx Report post Posted April 16, 2019 21 hours ago, turbotexas said: wo different machines! This is a good video and it shows the welt machine I’m looking for! I worked for this mans cousin Eli Rios in Mercedes, while he was associated with “Longhorns Boot Company” Very Cool Video, True Craftsman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
