Frodo Report post Posted September 6, 2019 1924 foot pedal singer called ''the RED EYE'' will it sew leather? is so how thick? what type of needle am i looking for i Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koreric75 Report post Posted September 7, 2019 52 minutes ago, Frodo said: 1924 foot pedal singer called ''the RED EYE'' will it sew leather? is so how thick? what type of needle am i looking for i i have one and it sews leather, it was a treadle machine originally but since i've moved it to a new table with a servo... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nylonRigging Report post Posted September 7, 2019 That Head will clean-up and look really nice . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted September 7, 2019 That is a Singer Class 66. It is made for sewing soft cloth, up to about 1/8 inch thick. It can sew leather up to 6 or 7 ounces combined, but with no larger than #69 bonded thread, using a #18 leather point HAx1 needle. The machine is bottom feed only and doesn't produce very long stitches. But, it is great for hemming and darning shirts, pants and skirts. I have one at home, motorized, in a hide-away table. Cute to look at, but no use in a shop setting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frodo Report post Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wizcrafts said: That is a Singer Class 66. It is made for sewing soft cloth, up to about 1/8 inch thick. It can sew leather up to 6 or 7 ounces combined, but with no larger than #69 bonded thread, using a #18 leather point HAx1 needle. The machine is bottom feed only and doesn't produce very long stitches. But, it is great for hemming and darning shirts, pants and skirts. I have one at home, motorized, in a hide-away table. Cute to look at, but no use in a shop setting. I have another vintage machine, it is a brother, I have tried to find the model number all I find is numbers stamped under the machine in the metal H139205 i went to brother.com. and can not ask a question with out giving the model number. It is in a wood box, heavy as hell, pink and cream colored [electric] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Northmount Report post Posted September 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, Frodo said: I have another vintage machine, it is a brother, I have tried to find the model number all I find is numbers stamped under the machine in the metal H139205 i went to brother.com. and can not ask a question with out giving the model number. It is in a wood box, heavy as hell, pink and cream colored [electric] Pictures would help identify it. Most portable machines are domestic machines. Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frodo Report post Posted September 7, 2019 Just now, Northmount said: Pictures would help identify it. Most portable machines are domestic machines. Tom I will get a picture. this Brother says made in the republic of Ireland Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted September 7, 2019 Mister Frodo; You are asking about household/domestic sewing machines meant for cloth. Household (domestic) sewing machines are not meant to sew leather. Some can manage a few ounces, plus or minus. But, all of these machines are bottom feed only, via feed dogs and a fixed presser foot. The feed motion on the bottom has to fight against the downward force on top. Reducing the foot pressure leads to the leather lifting with the needle, causing skipped stitches and shredded thread. These machines may have little 0.5 to 1.5 amp motors (1/15 horsepower and under) on the back of the head and a speed control pedal on an AC cord that you set on the floor. Some may be inside a table that opens and closes, or sit in a hand held carrying case, or be mounted on a treadle base with a wooden top. Leather sewing machines are usually mounted on industrial tables - 20" x 48" - with steel legs, or pedestal stands, and have large, very powerful motors under the table (from 1/3 to 3/4 horsepower). Most leather sewing machines have compound/triple feed, where the feed dog, needle and an inside foot move in sync while the outside presser foot simply moves up and down to clear or hold the leather. These machines can handle thread sizes way bigger than household machines and can sometimes sew as much as 3/4 inch of real leather. The Singer 15 class below is NOT a leather sewing machine. The Cowboy IS a leather sewing machine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frodo Report post Posted September 7, 2019 Wizcrafts Thank you for the education. i did not even consider the foot and its movement. I was only thinking about mounting a large treadmill DC motor and powering thru. Northmount Picture you requested Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted September 7, 2019 That Brother is just a domestic/household cloth sewing machine with bottom feed. It may sew a few ounces of leather, but with thin thread. For instance, it may be able to sew thin wallet interiors, or possible entire wallets, not exceeding 6 to 7 ounces combined thickness. You may be able to change the foot to a Teflon plastic foot that lets the leather glide under it easier than the steel foot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wizcrafts Report post Posted September 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Frodo said: I was only thinking about mounting a large treadmill DC motor and powering thru. The motor would be more powerful than the feed system, negating its effectiveness. Drop feed dogs for cloth are quite fine. To grip and pull leather through calls for a much more aggressive tooth feeder. I sincerely doubt you will find a heavy duty feed dog and throat plate for that Brother machine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Northmount Report post Posted September 7, 2019 @Frodo If you haven't read this thread, you should. Tells what you need for a leather sewing machine. Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
